Boise State is a National Contender

Hold the phone.. The reason that these so called analyst say that Boisie St should not be in the national championship game (and when I say analyst I mean guys who played in division 1 football and coached in who know what they are talking about) is exactly because they do not week in and week out play against BCS competition. It isn't Boisie states fault at all. I like there team, in fact I think they are a great team and they could probably beat anyone in the country on any given Saturday. Where I have a problem is they are not going up against the caliber of players and Offenses and Defenses that BSC conferences have. I looked up some stats here lately and coming into this year over the last 10 years Boise State has a 74-4 record against there conference opponents (conference meaning such as mexico state, UNLV , San Jose State AKA teams that BSC schools Such as Wisconsin, USC, and Ohio State pay and schelue to play as mop up games to gain confidence on early in the year)!! Now against BCS schools over the last 10 years coming into this season they are only 6-6 (pretty mediocre)!!! Again I am not saying it's Boisie States fault they are a nide team I like em a lot it is the systems fault and the way the BSC and college football is set up. I can't remeber a time when a team beat another team 59 - 0 and dropped in the poles. That is pretty absurd. However having that said Boisie playing in the conference they do and another HUGE HUGE advantage to that is when you do get up 35 or 40 to nothing you can rest your stars and beleive over the course of the season any rest at all is a factor. It also limits injuries. Which brings up my next point. Look at Boisie State injury report about mid season.... then look at Alabama , Ohio States , Iowa's , Georgia , Florida and Nebraska's.. Boise State rarely rarely has any injuries to report and if they do it is rarely for one of there starter... Why? #1 because they get to rest there stars #2 the don't go up against blue chip NFL draft type caliber offensive and defensive line man week in and week out. Trust me just like those analyst know it as well as I do this pounding week in and week out that Boisie St avoids is a HUGE advantage.. Now occasionally they play a team or two in there conference that will have an NFL draft caliber player or two but for the most part there competition is pretty sub-par (below average to bad). However having said that I do respect Boisie for going out and trying to fix that tis year by playing Virgina Tech and Oregon State who are BSC conference programs and Boise did beat them. So they have beefed it up. It did not Help Boise that the very next week that they did beat Virginia Tech that Tech went out and lost at home to James Madison who is a Division 1AA school. Ouch!!! But again that is not Boisie States fault they are trying to do all the right things but under the current system we have in place they are never going to get a shot because of the sub par conferce they play in. I mean if all that matters is to go undefeated and your in then why does Neb. even belong to a conference.. Why play those tough games on the road and at home against quality opponents in 80,000 seat staduims.. (average stadium and crown noise Boisie goes up against is 25,000.) you can't tell me there is a differnce because there is a HUGE one.. Not even close. Not even on the same playing field.. I am not saying Boisie isn't on the same playing field as theses other teams.. they maybe we don't know that and unfortunaely may never know that, but the advantages they have is just plain ridiculous.. It would be like NE playing 2 tough games all year and playing western kentucky 8 times.. Vegas knows who is goog and who isn't there is a reason that when Boisie St plays there conference games they are a 25 plus point favorite.. All Alabama has to do is play Arkansas # 8 at the time Florida # 9 at the time and LSU # 12 at the time in back to back to back weekends.. I bet those spreads are less than 10 each week and there players are just banged up and bruised up going through that gauntlet.. Who knows maybe Boise could get through that,,, but it doesn't matter they don't have to.. Let's go out and fired up to play San Diego State this weekend.. C'mon give me a break this system we have in place is a joke.. and to say Boise State deserves to be in the national championship game is absurd just plain ridiculous.. who knows they may be the best team in college football but in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DO THEY DESERVE TO BE THERE AT ALL PERIOD!!!!

I remember when they beat va tech. The announcers were talking about them going to the BCS title game. I thought, wow, wouldent it be nice to win your first game and know your going undeafeated?

So I guess if Boise St were to get into the National Championship game and win you would still say that they didn't deserve to be there? After all they are 2-0 in BCS bowls. Luck or not they have won both times they have been in a BCS bowl.

I think it's too bad Utah and BYU are leaving the MWC. A conference with Utah, TCU, and Boise St would have a much better argument to be an automatic BCS conference than the Big East.

bigdawg is right, it was funny how the media was all over Boise St for the come from behind win over Va Tech. That win sure lost some of its luster when Va Tech lost to mighty James Madison.

Right 2-0 in BCS bowl games.. EXACTLY the on game of the year they have to get up for because they take a vacation for the other 10 weeks.. did you not see my earlier post.. THE LAST 10 YEARS AGAINST BCS TEAMS...(TEAMS THAT PLAY TOUGH COMPETITION WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT) THE ARE ONLY 6-6. That is 50 percent of the time they win 50 percent of the time they lose.. very very very mediocre.. I don't care if they play Alabama in the National Championship and beat them 67 to 0 which they very well could.. they in no way shape or form what so ever help me God have shown anything in the regular season to say that Boisie DESERVES to be there at all.. Boisie play in a tougher conference play better teams and then come talk to me until then they don't deserve it whether they are in fact the best team in college football or not.. it is a HUGE HUGE difference maker because they don't ask anyone who knows about sports.. LIKE ESPN analyst guys who played and coached in division 1 football.. they know better than you and better than me.. it is not deserving at all.. there whole year and body of work does not measure up to the body of work the other schools have put in.. By the way did you even play high school sports at all Mikey?? let alone college or division 1 for that matter?? or were you captain of the Chess team and Debate team.. C'mon really really really.. Get a Clue dude!!!

So let me get this straight in your example Boise State beats the defending national champion 67-0 and yet you would still say they didn't deserve to be there. Maybe it is you that needs to get a clue.

So why even play any games? If we all know, and all the so-called experts already know who is going to win the championship then why play at all?

I gotta hand it to you you are really trying to emulate the other posters on here, when in doubt call other people's intelligence or character into question.

What does it matter what sport I played in? That has nothing to do with it. The so-called experts that you keep trumpeting up have been wrong more often than they have been right.

Your 10 year thing doesn't even work considering that when Boise St started that ten year span they had been a Division 1 team for a grand five years.

If, as you say, records and what conferences teams play in matter then Michigan should never be allowed into a BCS game for the rest of all time, they lost to a Division 1-AA team, AT HOME.

Nebraska barely beat a division 1-AA team a couple of weeks ago. Does that mean they are now ineligible for the BCS title game now? Continuing with your ten year theme (which the last time I checked there was no prior ten year prerequisite for making the national championship game) there are quite a few teams that won the national championship that would have been excluded.

I went back and looked and under Boise St's current coach they have gone 5-1 against BCS schools.

Mike:

"Your 10 year thing doesn't even work considering that when Boise St started that ten year span they had been a Division 1 team for a grand five years."

What does this have to do with anything? How does this invalidate his post? I don't think it does at all, and these types of posts are what cause people to question your intelligence. Interesting, if one person questions your intelligence they could be a lone whacko, when a couple start doing it, are they whackos or is it a trend........hmmm something to think about.

"there are quite a few teams that won the national championship that would have been excluded."

Could you explain what national champions who in the ten years previous to winning went 50% over that span against what are now BCS teams?

Odd I thought you don't question my intelligence SW?

Maybe you don't actually consider the context and just see another poster who disagrees with me so you hop the bandwagon and question me without putting the context in, so I'll help you:

Clueless stated that one of the reasons that Boise St didn't deserve to be in the National Championship was their record against BCS teams over the past ten years. I simply argued that if you actually applied that theory many teams that are BCS (or would be in your case) teams would never have made it to the National Championship game or won it based on their prior ten years. Among those Oklahoma and Nebraska. Oklahoma was atrocious in the decade before winning the National Championship in 2000. Nebraska for the past ten years have not been stellar against BCS schools so they too, following Clueless' theory should not play for the National Championship.

My point with Boise St was that they joined Division 1 in the mid-90s and they were still going through growing pains at the start of this ten year scheme.

But as I previously posted if you take a closer snapshot and focus on the coach they have now, they are 5-1 against BCS schools including 2-0 in BCS bowls against BCS schools.

Since you didn't actually counter my argument, just called me stupid without calling me stupid, why do you think it is important to look at Boise St's 10 year record against BCS schools but no one else?

Mike,

I couldn't counter your argument until you made one. I wasn't going to go back over every national champion's 10 year record to make you look like a chump. Now the counter:

in the 10 years before Oklahoma won the National Championship they were, unless my numbers are wrong, 50-45-3 against current BCS opponents. while not stellar, still above 50%.

Since you ask, I don't think it is important to look at Boise St's 10 year record I just think it is stupid for you to argue that the fact that 10 years ago they had only been a Division I school for 5 years does anything to invalidate clueless' argument as you said it does. I never said it was important. If you want an answer you must ask a question.

"Odd I thought you don't question my intelligence SW?"

Well then once again you are wrong. I have NEVER said I don't question your intelligence, I think it is the opposite, I question you intelligence with almost every post you make; however, only call attention to it when I think it is too much to ignore or I know you will react so splendidly to it.

"I didn't question your intelligence at all"

-- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 1:57 PM

Once again foiled by your own words.

Yes because 51% is SOOOO much better than 50%. This does invalidate his claim by the way.

Ok. Ok I am sorry I will slow down here a bit.. Under the current BCS system we have in place in college football there will always be controversy there will never be a clear cut and dry favorite. Some years it works out some years there are several teams griping about what they didn't get or why there team isn't playing in a certain bowl game. I am saying being the best in the nation and Deserving to be the best in the nation are two completely different things. In my opinion Boisie St does not deserve to have a shot to beat Alabama 67 - 0 or to get beat by them 67 - 0 because thier body of work through out the course of the season isn't good enough under the current system we have to get them there. You cannot week in and week out play the level of competition they do and roll through your season like it is a practice session or mop up games every week and expect to get respect from voters and analyst and even other programs. It is not Boisie St fault at all that it is like this but under our current system it is. I wish we could have a playoff where we could really decide who the best team is. Vegas does not like to lose money at all they are very in favor of making money they make the lines according to how good teams are Boisie St is almost a 25 point favorite in all there remaining games. The only time BCS schools have that big of spreads is during week one two and three when they play a lot of the teams that are in Boisie St conference, other than that is is big time national spotlight 10 point or less spreads in hostile environments with 80,000 plus fans sceaming against you week in and week out and expected to remain perfect with out a glitch on your schedule and Boisie St can play teams like New Mexico St every week with out any of those obstacles to over come ever in there season and everyone else has to do it week in and week out.. How does that not make sense to you that it is not even close to on the same playing field. Again listem to me I am not saying Boisie St is not the best team in the country but saying that they are the best and that they are deserving to have a shot to be the best is completely and utterly outrageous. The SEC conference is an absolute gauntlet to get through year in and year out those teams go through more struggles and adversity in the first 2 or 3 conference games than Boisie St will ever face in a whole season, and they are just as deserving. The numbers don't lie Mike the last 10 years before this season Boisie St 74-4 in conference games (against cupcake city) the last 10 years against BCS conference opponents ( teams that beat up on each other week in and week out) 6-6. Who knows what would happen if Boisie joined a major conference what would happen... maybe they still go undefeated... maybe they blow everyone out of the water.. we don't know that and that is unfortunate. Boisie St currently plays 1 maybe 2 tough games a year and then rests there stars for the remaining of the season get jacked up for one bowl game under the spotlight for once ( that the other teams have to face every week I remind you: Hence a tough environment and tough to win every single time) and prove themselves on one night... Thats not fair to Boisie St and thats not fair to the team they have to play. And you are saying that I just use words from analyst on TV who actually played and coached and gave it their blood sweat and tears for as long as their careers lasted and they know the game inside and out and that is wron of me to do??? Trust me I did play college athletics it is a huge difference in knowing having that experience and growth and doing something and practicing for something your whole life than to have never played at all. Let me ask you this? would you tell a doctor who went to school for ten years and is very succesful that he doesn't know how to perform surgery??? No. So why would you tell former coaches and players who have lived the game there whole life they don't know what there talking about?? it is the exact opposite Mike... You don't know what you are talking about.. I am sorry but sports is just one topic you do not know anything about.. you haven't lived it breathed it and done it your whole life.. again 6 and 6 in the last 10 years against BCS schools including bowl games and a loss to EAST CAROLINA in one of their previous bowl.. (correct me if I am wrong but I believe that was 2006) under our current BSC system until we get a playoff system to settle it on the field in NO way shape or for is Boisie St deserving of a National Title shot and again this does not mean that they aren't the best team in College football...

Mike Mike Mike... right you are making my point with Oklahoma... they have played all those BSC schools week in and week out.. almost 100.. that means they have played in the last 10 years at least 100 tough games.. Boisie St on the other hand in the last 10 years has played in 12 tough games :( and they are on the same playing field.. Cause if you consider there conference games tough which they are not because vegas has them a 25 point favorite in all of them and they are in the KNOW then your point is invalid).. 100 100 100 BSC games they played in over the last 10 years and Boisie only played in 12... and they are just as deserving as those programs please tell me how this figures to be right? and so you know almost every national champion in the last 10 years on average has beaten 7 BSC conference opponents in the same year... IN THE SAME YEAR... and Boisie has played against 12 in the last 10... gimmie a break... do you like my sign on name??? CLUELESS IN SW NE.. it is directed towards someone.. I will give you two guesses but I bet you will only need one!!!!

Wait so now you are changing your argument Clueless? You really are trying to emulate SW aren't you. First you said it was that they were a 500 team versus BCS schools that excluded them from national championship talk (though you have completely ignored the fact that under their current coach they are 7-1 against BCS coaches). When I showed that there have been teams that had near the same percentage that had played or even won the championship (Oklahoma) you all of a sudden change it to the number of teams they have played.

My point is still there, if you are going to simply base it off of win percentages or number of games played or what the so called experts say than why even play the games? Why even have a season? Alabama is the National Champion.

Mike:

Here you go making yourself look foolish again,

""I didn't question your intelligence at all"

-- Posted by SWNebr Transplant on Tue, Oct 5, 2010, at 1:57 PM

Once again foiled by your own words."

I'm not trying to question your intelligence here, just your understanding of the English language and context. There is a distinct difference between "didn't" and "don't" When you tried to quote me out of context you missed the point, once again showing why I have to question your intelligence. In THAT specific case I wasn't questioning your intelligence, you just are too touchy and think I'm calling you stupid all the time. Do you not see how that is different from saying I never question your intelligence? That is what saying I DON'T question would mean.

If you are too thick to understand the difference I think you just help me prove my point.

Simple question Mike, do you see the difference?

Clueless,

Are you perhaps HerndonHank's son? You post really long posts without any breaks. It would make it easier to read if you would break it up some.

Mike,

I think he is making the same argument, you just aren't understanding him. He has always said that if Boise played in a BCS Conference they wouldn't have such a good record. Personally I disagree with him but he hasn't said anything to "invalidate" his argument. I have noticed that is a tactic you try to use a lot, when someone disagrees you say they are changing their argument or in some way invalidating their argument when it is just a difference of opinion.

Boise State is a good team, I think that at this point they need to watch out for the WAC rather than worry about a BCS Bowl, take care of business see how it washes out.

Guillermo,

AWWW Mom, you spoil all my fun see my last post however.

One problem that Boise State will have is that they aren't sneaking up on anyone anymore. When you look at their record against BCS opponents, which is a crock anyway in my opinion, look at the quality of teams they are playing in general. They are also open to the criticism that Clueless is trying to make, if I read it correctly, it is easy for a team to "get up" to play in one big game throughout the year, it is much harder to play at that level week in, week out. Which is why I'm saddened that Utah and BYU are leaving the MWC, which no-one else commented on. That would have made the MWC one of the premier football conferences.

The argument that they have won two BCS bowl games is also open to criticism. They beat an Oklahoma team that wasn't interested in playing in the Fiesta Bowl when they thought they should be in the National Championship game and were able to win with some trick plays. I'm not taking anything away from Boise but that is again an example of them being "up" while Oklahoma is "down". They then beat TCU, I think that was a sham and that the BS err BCS should have split them up and let them play conference champions.

If Boise State runs the table and gets blown out by a BCS team who is paying attention where will the argument be? As I see it Boise is in a lose/lose position as far as media and general public opinion stands.

Personally I'd like to see Nebraska/Whoever in Championship game with a Big Red victory. However I don't find it all that likely. If I was given to predictions I'd say Oregon/Boise State, with Oregon running up the score and this debate continues next year.

My original point still stands with Boise St in a BCS conference. They would have much better players because they would be able to recruit much better.

Arguing that Boise St would not be a good team in a BCS conference doesn't work because those kind of predictions are solely opinion based. Comparing to how they have done in the past is not a predictor of how they would do now or in the future.

"Comparing to how they have done in the past is not a predictor of how they would do now or in the future"

Kinda like investing in the stock market :)

Mike, I know I've been over this before...but this is all opinion, even your's sorry to break it to you that's why they are open for argument. How good of a team is Washington State or Baylor or Minnesota, etc.? Being in a BCS conference and having access to better recruiting doesn't mean a team will be better. Over the past years I'd imaging Boise State would beat any of those teams 9 out of 10 times.

In a BCS conference they would have some advantages and disadvantages. Right now Boise has had some advantages that have helped them play BCS teams sparingly and they would lose those advantages in an 8 game season, but they would pick up others.

I certainly don't believe Boise State would have had the unbeaten seasons they've had if in a BCS conference, Does anyone here think they can make that argument? They would still be a good team but they would be lost in the shuffle of all the other good teams. They wouldn't be underdog's and darlings, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

We know what your original point was, I just don't think it has as much merit as you think it does.

BTW can you answer me if you know what I meant by the difference between "didn't" and "don't"?

Guillermo,

I agree, if you have read my posts you would see that is essentially what I said about Boise's ability to compete in a BCS conference.

I believe you are not trying to say I made an argument I haven't, but I will restate that I haven't said Boise should be barred from a National Title shot. All I said is that those people who make that argument also have some valid opinions and to dismiss them out of hand simply because they disagree is poor form. The way to challenge an opinion is to counter it explicitly in my opinion, otherwise there can be no comparison.

For example, Clueless's argument that they don't deserve it because thier schedule is weak (I'm paraphrasing as I see it) should not be challenged with the fact that if they were in a BCS conference they would have more money to spend on facilities.

I do have one problem with your argument:"This is fact, not opinion, and this fact alone should be compelling enough to entertain the thought of Boise St. getting a look at a title shot. "

It is not compelling enough to say that a team who is competitive in BCS conferences should get a title shot. If you agree they wouldn't necessarily run the table in a BCS conference but would merely be competitive with the top teams, they would have to be undefeated in that conference to guarantee a title shot. In any given year they could be undefeated and earn a title shot but at this point it is still apples to oranges. As long as they do not run the table in a BCS conference they will always be open to this criticism.

If Oregon and Oklahoma, who were both ranked below Boise State pre-season, run the table in thier conferences I would wager they would play in the national championship game and Boise will be outside again. Do you agree?

"BTW can you answer me if you know what I meant by the difference between "didn't" and "don't"?"

I know you think I am an idiot but this last line was just plain mean spirited and completely pointless to the rest of your post, even for you.

This is probably a year when the playoff scenario will be most ramped up. Alabama right now seems to be the only team capable of running the table this year (though they do have a stretch of 6 games in a row where their opponent has the previous week off to prepare) but as of now I do believe that that most of teams in the power conferences will have at least one loss on their record at season's end.

Essentially what those who do not want Boise St in the national conference are saying is that at the end of the year they still should not get to go even if they are the lone undefeated team in the nation. Those players who have played their hearts out week in and week out will have a hard time understanding how at the end of the season when they have done everything that was asked of them, won all their games are not "allowed in the championship game because their opponents were weak.

Mike:

"I know you think I am an idiot but this last line was just plain mean spirited and completely pointless to the rest of your post, even for you."

Sorry I just wanted an answer, you accuse me of something when I offered the proof you ignored it I just want you to admit you're wrong.

"Alabama right now seems to be the only team capable of running the table this year"

I disagree I think Oregon also has a good shot, I think they have an easier schedule.

Guillermo,

"Oklahoma isn't ranked above Boise St., but Oregon, Alabama, and Ohio St. are."

I think you misunderstand me, that is point but you bring it up as if it counters my argument. The point is both of them started out lower ranked and if they win out, they will end up higher ranked tha Boise. Oregon wasn't ranked higher than Boise until this week. Do you disagree?

I don't think Oregon is capable of running the table because of their defense. One of those pacific teams will catch them on a bad week.

Considering the question surrounding didn't and don't has absolutely no background to it it was out of place and meant only to question (again) my intelligence. If you want to explain the question a little better it might help or you could just question my intelligence again.

Ok Ok Ok...

Time to put the women and children to bed and go looking for dinner!!!

Before I make my simple closing arguments I just want to apologize for my previous posts on not being more clear and specific. You are not getting my argument at all and I must not be making it clear enough. Or I must not be saying the right words.. whatever the case is my apologies!!!

I am not saying Boisie State is not an elite team and they very well maybe the best team in the country but the work they put in the whole season is not as much as the other BSC conference schools do. That is my argument that they aren't as deserving as the other schools not that they aren't just as good because I do believe they are just as bit as good as the other schools but they do not prove it as consitently and as regularly as the other schools have to.

Let me give you an example.. it's the year 2000 in Nebraska Eric crouch is the Hiesman trophy winner NU is number 1 we are headed into our last game against CO and we get thumped.. dropping us in the polls and we do not even play in our own conference championship game( by the way Boisie St and it's conference does not have a conference champ game). After that loss to CO some crazy things happen and we some how some way end up at the number 2 spot in the BCS polls and would face off against one of the best college football teams in history in Miami that year. Miami had 11 first round draft picks that year. Now even the big red faithful to this day know we ended up there to have a chance to play for a title because our current BCS system in place. However having that said everyone knows even Big red faithful that we were not DESERVING to play in that game based on how we finished the year... we went on to get dominated by Miami in that game and even if the tables would have been turned and we were the ones to have dished out the thumping to Miami and added another National Champ for the husker nation this would have been ludacris because we shouldn't have even been there in the first place. Call it a fluke call it luck ( and sometimes it is better to be lucky than good) call it fate. We would be crowned National Champs and be on top and be considered number 1 and the best in the country and that is why they play the game and not just determine the winner based on paper stats but it still does not make us deserving even if we would have thumped them because we should not have been there in the first place..

Now having that said Mike keeps talking about just have Boisie join a major conference and the 4 and 5 star recruits will just show up at your door they would get plenty of them they would compete with those other schools.. which you know Mikey you might be right but it isn't certain it isn't a sure thing.. Ask schools like Vanderbilt, Wash St, Iowa St, Minnesota, Northwestern, who are all part of BSC confernences how many 4 and 5 star recruits do they get.. better yet ask Dan Hawkins who is on the verge of getting fired how hard it is to compete to get recruits when you join a major conference. wait a minute Dan Hawkins I know that name.. he is the head coach for Colorado a BSC conference school.. wait a minute where else do I know him from... oh Ya he was the coach at Boisie St before he left to go to Colorado... He had a few undefeated seasons as well while he was at Boise with the weak schedule they play in... I bet if you ask him if he would love to have his cush job and cush shcedule back he would in a heartbeat.. Better yet ask him how difficult it is to recruit in the big time conferences to get those caliber of players to come and play for you?? Bet he would say you have NO IDEA how difficult it is...

Now having that said in my closing arguments I am so excited for this. I am going to use a little analogy here bare with me

for my lasy arguments these analogies are as follows..

David = Boisie St

Goliath A = BSC conferce school

Goliath B = BSC conference school

Ok so here is the senario..

David has beaten Goliath... David can beat Goliath ... David will again in the future continue to beat Goliath.

David faces at most Goliath 4 times a year at most.. Most of the time it is only 2 or 3 times a year.

So for this argument lets say David whoops Goliath every time they face each other and the other weeks David plays another David and gets to rest and reamin healthy or get healthy for when the next time they have to face another Goliath..

Meanwhile Goliath A and Goliath B face each other at least 7 times a year sometimes even 10 times a year they get beat up and they get broken down from those tough matches throughout the whole year and when one of these Goliaths have to go and face a David and the end of all this there is a greater chance for them to lose.

Now if Goliath A runs the table against other Goliaths week in and week out and remains perfect the whole time would you agree they are more than deserving to be considered the best or have a chance to play to be the best..

Now if David runs the table he has to face 1 or 2 or 3 or even maybe 4 Goliaths throughout the year and does it without a glitch and remains perfect having faced at most 4 Goliaths.

Here is where the debate comes.. is David more deserving to play to be considered the best having only whipped 4 Goliaths and Goliath B whipped 8 other Goliaths and lost to 1 other Goliath?? How do we know???? David needs to play more Goliaths to be on the same playing field to get a better measure of where they really are..

However having said that... David just very well maybe a Goliath in fact I think they are in my personal opinion but until they get on the same playing field as all the other Goliaths and go through the same rigorous gauntlet of a schedule the other Goliaths go through then No they are not deserving to play for the championship. They did not do as much work.. they did not go through anything close to what all the otehr Goliaths had to go through..

Because if all the other Goliaths had to go through what David goes through they would come out perfect quite a few times as well..

Meaning if Alabama Ohio St Florida Auburn USC Nebraska Oklahoma played the schedule Boisie Does every year there would be tons and tons of undefeated teams..

Enough Said!!!

Guillermo,

I didn't mean Oklahoma to be the only BCS school the way you took it. Oregon and Oklahoma were just examples I pulled off the top of my head. I believe any of the top BCS schools who goes undefeated will jump Boise and TCU eventually. Naturally this excludes the Big East :)

BTW, nice editing skills!

Why would it exclude Big East schools? They are BCS as well.

Actually GI if Oklahoma wins out and then beats Nebraska in the Big 12 Championship game they would more than likely jump Boise St.

Let's not forget that the last time Nebraska played for the National Championship, not only did they not make the Big 12 Championship game they got blown out by Colorado in their last game before playing in the Championship game.

That was a poke at the quality of competition in the Big lEast, a small joke, I'm sorry if it confused you Mike. I believe the MWC is a better conference and has more of a right to an automatic bid than the Big East.

"Let's not forget that the last time Nebraska played for the National Championship, not only did they not make the Big 12 Championship game they got blown out by Colorado in their last game before playing in the Championship game."

You just trying to **** people off? :)

Although I, and probably most Nebraska fans who are also football fans, thought that Nebraska had no right to be in the Rose Bowl and if they had won they would have been open for a great deal of criticism.

I agree. My favorite team is Oklahoma but their schedule is weak especially with a very weak Big 12 this year. That having been said, the pollsters are very finicky what they will punish one team for (Boise St) they wouldn't necessarily punish another (Oklahoma or Nebraska). They will listen to the maddening crescendo of boo birds that want to keep Boise St out of the picture. They have already started by moving Oregon past them.

"That was a poke at the quality of competition in the Big lEast, a small joke, I'm sorry if it confused you Mike."

Well lookie here. I did what you like to do. Take one small quote and ask a question that has obviously nothing to do with the original topic and your only course of action is to ridicule me and one again question my intellect. Strange, but I guess only you can ask those kinds of question.

No, I wasn't try to make anyone mad. Just using the perfect example of the Nebraska debacle that year to pinpoint the fact that teams make the championship that a lot of people don't believe should even be in. If the voters can put Nebraska in the championship for being embarrassed why can't they put in Boise St who has done nothing but win? I don't know that anyone could have beaten Miami that year but it certainly wasn't Nebraska.

Mike,

I think you are WAY too defensive about anything I say.

"Well lookie here. I did what you like to do. Take one small quote and ask a question that has obviously nothing to do with the original topic and your only course of action is to ridicule me and one again question my intellect. Strange, but I guess only you can ask those kinds of question."

I had no problem with your question so apparently what I like to do is what I like to see :) I thought your question was germaine to my point. A question for you would be why are you asking a question if you don't consider it important? Are you just wasting time? I only ask questions if I want an answer.

How was answering your question ridiculing you or questioning your intelligence? Like I said way too defensive and it's starting to make you look pretty petty.

" If the voters can put Nebraska in the championship for being embarrassed why can't they put in Boise St who has done nothing but win?"

There is nothing to say they can't, I'm just saying it's not likely they will if there is a better, in their view, alternative.

SW.. In your last post you are exactly right.. you hit the nail on the head.. IN THEIR VIEW a better alternative.. Boisie is just as good if not better than all these other schools but until they get on the same playing field as all these other schools voters are going to continue to put BSC conference schools who are undefeated or who have one loss ahead of them as the body of work that Boisie puts in through out the whole year isn't strong enough to gain them enough points unfortunately. Just look they beat a team last weekend 59 to 0 and they dropped them in the polls ALREADY.. they didn'y wait til they had a scare of a close game or played poorly in a game and then had some sort of a reason to drop them.. .

They dropped them the week after a 59 to 0 beatdown they dished out. Becasue the voters just as you and I know it... these teams are not on the same playing field and UNTIL the day comes that they are on the same playing field it isn't fair to Boisie St and it most certainly isn't fair to the BCS conference schools.

The debate will continue on and on and on forever until there is a constant consistent equal playing field for all the teams and that may never happen ..

The only thing there is to do is to have a playoff system..

GI

have you not read any of my previous posts.. I have said time in and time out.. Boisie St is just as good or competitive as any team in the country you are correct.. I agree with you 100%... in fact they may very well be the best team in the country. Why would you be suprised if they put a 1 loss team ahead of Boisie St??? the reason you shouldn't be suprised at all if that happens.. (and it very well may happen and should happen in my opinion) is because they have done it SEVERAL SEVERAL times in the past.. with Boisie St twice if my memory serves me correctly under coach Dan Hawkins, and two other times I believe under current coach Petersen when they played OU in the Fiesta Bowl and last year.

There should be no suprise.. it happens time and time again.. it has also happened to TCU and I may be wrong but I believe also with Cincy.. now not every year that Boisie got left out was there a 1 loss team that jumped them there were also instances that there were to undefeated teams ahead of them but both times under hawkins there was a 1 loss team and once under Petersen.

THERE SHOULD BE NO SUPRISE AND THE REASONING BEHIND IT IS VALID IN MOST PEOPLES EYES BUT NOT EVERYONES EYES OBVIOUSLY.. Just a few here and there and the whole State of Boisie

G.I

Yes absolutely I will discriminate against Boisie St's strength of schedule all day long. Them being one of the best teams or maybe even the best team has nothing to do with their strength of schedule or whether on not they are deserving to be in the dicussion..

Alabama could and maybe the best team in the country but if they play new mexico st every week and beat them 59 - 0 and go undefeated then they are deserving to have an opportunity to play for a title is that what you are saying?

You cannot only have 2 tough games a year and go undeafeated and be on the same playing field as another team who played 8 tough games in one year and loss once.. Boisie should have to play 6 other tough games to be considered to be as equal as the other team and then if they did that and went undefeated then there in no question they are as deserving is untrue because the body of work they have put in as NOT as equal.. you cannot argue that..

my point is I don't care if if Boisie St in the last 5 seasons is 5-1 or 7-1 against BCS teams... that is olny 8 big games in the last 5 YEARS TOTAL... TOTAL... the other schools have to play 8 big time games on the road at hostile environments against respectable programs with 80,000 plus seat stadiums..

They body of work is based on one season not past 3 or 4 or 5 seasons.. and this season Boisie will have played in 3 tough games..

Ask Alabama if they would like to just play 3 top 25 teams in one year and that would be it..

my point is it is un fair ludacris and a complete injustice to say the body of work that Boisie puts in is the same as Alabama..

Alabama has played against penn st , arkansas , florida , they will play LSU and south carolia this weekend... all top 25 teams... and the rest of the SEC is tougher than anyone Boisie plays..

and Boisie St with thier schedule is just as deserving or on the same playing field..

Gimmie a break!!!

You are a joke

I obviously can't convince you and you can't convince me..

But the people who need convincing are

the people who have a vote

These people consist of former players and coaches who have lived breathed eaten and slept footall there whole lives who have forgotten more about football than you and I will ever know and if they are going to jump a one loss team over Boisie because they play a touger schedule then they for sure know more about it and than you and thats all you need to know..

Boisie St

Gimmie a freaking break

"the other schools have to play 8 big time games on the road at hostile environments against respectable programs with 80,000 plus seat stadiums.."

What schools are you referring to? There isn't a team in this country that plays 8 big games a year on the road. Most only play 4-5 games a year on the road and a great many of them are not in front of 80,000 fans.

My question Clueless is that if Boise St played and beat Alabama in the National Championship would you give them any respect at all?

Just to clarify I am not asking for an answer that contains anything regarding to them not beating Alabama or not getting to the championship. I am asking if you would show them any respect?

Here's the most interesting thing Clueless. You denigrate Boise St and declare they shouldn't play in the National Championship because they are 6-6 against BCS schools in the last ten years. When it is pointed out that in their last six games they are 5-1. You are still somehow able to find a reason to discredit them.

It's clear that it really doesn't matter what they do you think less of them because they aren't in a BCS conference.

I am sorry Alabama does not play a road game every game but they do play in front of 70 to 80 thousand people (give er take a few thousand in almost every game they play) whether it is on the road or not that is way tougher than Facing New Mexico St in front of 35, 000.. would you not agree??? I am not dis crediting boisie for going 5- 1 in recent years.. that is a great record considering it was ONLY 6 games in the last however many years.. would you not agree if they played more of those games against BSC scools they would then be able to measure accurately how good they really are????? all I am saying the MEASURE we have to use to determine if they are worthy or not is inaccurate. Like what if they played against 6 BSc schools in the SAME year.. Wow I never though tof that .. we could measure them the same way that if the played 6 BSC schools over the last 5 years.. what if they would have lost all those games over the last 5 years it wouldn't be fair to judge them and say they are horrible against BCS schools because they haven't plaed in that many compared to * a year like the other schools do.. UNTIL IT IS THE SAME PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL SCOOLS AND THEY PLAY THE SAME NUMBER OF BIG GAMES OR ARE IN A BIG TIME CONFERENCE THE MEASURE IS ABSOLUTELY AND UTTERLY DIFFERENT.. AND THAT IS NOT BOISIE ST'S FAULT.. Again Again Again I am not discrediting Boisie St or saying they are not an elite team they are!!! they just cannot be measure the same because you measure a team by their body of work for 1 season.. Right? so you look at boisie st's wins and thier opponents and look at alabama and usc and auburn and oklahoma and mich and florida and lsu and nebraska 's body of work and thier schedule and if you say that it is even close to THE SAME BODY OF WORK THEN YOU ARE NOT SEEING STRAIGHT AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND COLLEGE FOOTBALL...

Mike and G.I let me ask you a specific question??

Did you play College football?

Did you coach College football?

If you can answer yes to one of these I will respect your arguments.. If you can't answer yes then you don't know what you are talking about because does ESPN hire average Joe's to analyze college football games.. they pay thousands of dollars to bring in guys who know what they are talking about and know what they are doing.. would you not agree....?? and they majority agree with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s I PLAYED IN DIVISION 1 COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No No G.I.. you aren't getting in..

Lets say Boise Goes undeafeted and Beats Alabama who is also undefeated and they are crowned national champions because of one game they showed up and played,,,,

But before that all the other games they played teams like New Mexico State..

Meanwhile For the sake of the argument lets use LSU... LSU played teams almost as good as Alabama in every other game they played and stumbled and lost one game by one point.. Then you can say that for sure without a doubt that boisie state is better than LSU without question because LSU lost to a great team by 1 point and (knowing that if LSU like many other schools and when I say many I mean many other schools would go undefeated as well if they played boisie states schedule) that there is no doubt in your mind at all that you have to put Boisie state in there instead of LSU because they are more deserving???

Because they whooped team like the school of the blind and one leg university and st marys college for women?? and LSU had one minor glitch in their schedule but played competition like alabama and florida every week??

And Boisie St's 1 big signature win that was suppose to put em over the top was Virginia Tech who by the way turned around the next week and lost to James Madison at home who I would be willing to bet Mccook High School would give them a run for there money.

P.S this is Tom Osborne.. you can call me sir.. I remeber you G.I.. weren't you one our water boys back in 88?? you were the kid wishing he could play and thought he knew a lot about sports.. ya thats you the one with the pocect protector and the one who had joined the tri-lambda sorority I mean fraternity.. ya thats you..

you might know just as much football as Jeff Gross does.. Just maybe.. I bet you guys are on the same playing field aren't you???

The funny thing is they arent dismantling BSC schools one after another.. a late fourth quarter comeback to beat Virgina tech a 14 point win against Oregon st at HOME is a dismantling huh.. Ok I guess you do know what you are talking about WATERBOY!!

These BCS teams beat up on each other all year long and are unhealthy and banged up and turn around and get banged up again and again and again and are supposed to remain perfect all year.. And boisie can just coast in the WAC again the WAC all year and have to play in 2 big games reamin healthy but is is EQUAL though right G.I they pretty much did the same thing all year they are just as deserving.. Maybe since the Virgina Tech game can't be used as a signature win anymore for them maybe we can count San Jose St.. ya lets do that.. that will be Boisie St's signature win..

You stick to dishing out water and looking for discounts and on pocket protectors on line with Mikey and we will let the people in THEKNOW SUCH AS PREVIOUS COACHES AND PLAYERS SUCH AS TOM OSBORNE AND BOBBY BOWDEN AND LOU HOLTZ... who have won national champ and know a good team when they see one and who is more deserving to be in a national champ game decide..

By the way where are you at G.I??

I am thirsty I could use some water...

Lou Holtz? Seriously? He's in the know? He has predicted Notre Dame to win 9 games for five years solid and to be in the national title hunt all five years. How have those picks panned out?

But let me seeif I get this straight. You have spent every single post on here trying to convince everyone why Boise State doesn't deserve to be in the national championship game, but when presented with why they should you suggest we all just be quite and let the experts decide because they know better?

So what was the point of all those posts?

Did you play College football?

Did you coach College football?

Well did you Clueless?

The last time I checked most of the people that make up the AP poll have never played a sport either. You keep coming up with all these excuses why GI and I should just be quiet and quit offering our opinion when apparently the same guidelines you are trying to keep us quiet doesn't apply to you at all.

You are doing really well filling in for SW.

I don't like Lou Holtz at all but unfortunately he has forgotten more about football than we will ever know..

And the people who are in the AP poll at least cover sports all year round and are in the know in their respected regions and they still don't vote Boise in either because they listen and follow these experts.. WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT....!!!!!

Yes I did play College Football..

I have to go as someone who knows about sports and who to listen people who know about it and I also know when to ignore those who don't..

By the way there is a football game on tonight.. It is on ESPN.. Have you heard of that channel??

I believe it os channel 27 there in Mccook for you!!

Check it out you might like it!!

Once again changing your argument to make it seem as if that was your argument all along and challenging my intelligence? You are going to be a decent (not great) replacement for SW. Only in-so-far as you use the same tactics.

Just a little comparison.

Boise St Strength of Schedule 83

Nebraska Strength of Schedule 108

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/

Thank you for pointing out that Boisie St Strength of schedule is 83rd to better prove my argument... 83rd... EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!! but their body of work is just as deserving as the other big time programs with top 25 strength of schedules!!!

Have you ever heard of a man named Colin Cowherd?? I doubt you have. But anyways he is pretty much the smartest man in the world when it comes to college football.. he has been watching teams and covering the sport his whole life and done it in different regions of the country. Now that College Footbal is becoming more national and isn't as reginal as it used to be he now has his own radio show and TV show. Again he has FORGOTTEN more about college football than you and I will ever know.. These people are in the know..

Stick to trying to give your clueless 2 cents on political issues that you are stuggling at best with that...

But please please for everyones sake don't write about sports again..

They are right.. they will always be right.. and you are WRONG...

One last time they have FORGOTTEN more about sports than you will ever KNOW!!!

I am not for sure if he played or coached at all in college WATERBOY..

But if you see in my earlier posts as Mike pointed out the writers in the AP poll have votes as well like (Colin Cowherd) and they are not stupid they listen to the experts.. the current and former coaches of DIVISION 1 football. They listen to the ones in there region.. that is why east coast writes are biased to their region and west coast writers are biased to their region.. Colin has done regional and Now NATIONAL.. he has been around the block and is not biased doesn't have a favorite program goes off of what he sees and confides with people in the KNOW on a daily basis.

But I guess he isn't on the same level as you and Mike are.. Having a national radio and TV show for a reason is no comparison to a blog by the Mccook daily gazette.. I would side with two guys who have never played or covered sports on a national level before I would Colin..

you are right G.I :) good assumption!

Stick to home tailgaiting games for big time Bison football!!!!!!

you guys are Busch League

and I guess if my hand was in the cookie jar then I am now thirsty

G.I one last time where is my high quality H2O???

Right.. Exactly.. Thank you for putting more of an emphasis and an exclamtion point on my theory.. Those who haven't played or coached or bled or had sweat and tears over the game don't know anything about it and what goes into it..

Those who did however can do the eyeball test and watch a team and know if they are quality or not.

They know who has advantages and disadvantages based on whether, environment, playing at home, playing away, caliber of players, caliber of coaching staffs, and types of defenses used all the X's and O's and Strength of schedule..

You didn't play... So therefore you don't know

Colin Cowherd didn't play... SO he gathers info from those who did and look at things through their eyes.. and makes intelligent info based on people who KNOW.. He has resources you didn't know exsisted.. Does ESPN ask you for your input?? do they ask you to get on the radio??

He agrees with voters who agree with former coaches and players who all dropped Boisie in the polls the first chance they could after a 59-0 blowout over new mexico st.. they didn't wait til they slipped up or had a close game they did it the first chance they got.. that is people in the KNOW dropped Boisie St after a convicing win.. there is a reason you don't have a vote and they do.. they want people who have a clue as to where a team stands.

By the way their next game Boisie plays Toledo this weekend.. They are a 40 point favorite.. I am guesiing they will win again 59 to 0 .. and if Alabama , OU , NU , Florida , Oregon , Stanford, Ohio St played toledo they would do the same..

But instead Alabama has to go on the road and play a top 15 team in south carolina in a hostile environment without breaking a sweat.. they are favored by 6 by the way.. hhhhmmmm Tougher game maybe.. wish we all could play toledo's week in and week out and ocassionally play a mediocre virginia tech team or oregon st team and beat em but don't win handly and that will be it for the year... thats enough work to put in.. we are just as deserving.. we put in as much work.. we played a tough schedule.. lets scream at these voters hey why aren't we deserving?? cause coaches and former players know it isn't the same.. they can't be measured the same when they don't put in the same body of work..

all LSU has to do is go play in the swamp against Florida this weekend to remain undefeated and play in an 80,000 seat hostile environment.. Line is 7

USC has to go on the road and face Stanford a top 15 team line is -9..

Mich plays Mich st.. the list goes on and on..

I bet the all wish they could play toledo this weekend.. I mean why not?? in your opinion it should be measured the same..

If all you have to do is go undefeated and be deserving why don't other teams just schedule teams like toledo and play em every week..

Then everyone could scream and cry and say hey why not us were undefeated to.. Wah wah Wah.. are you kidding me??

They are RIGHT ... G.I you are wrong..

Hey Nerdstrom.... Nerdstrom.. Oh you are out of water...

Gimmie some gatorade then.. The the head cheerleader is waiting to lick skittles off of me!!!

On certain things I trust expert advice and common sense...

I don't tell a doctor who went to school for 10 years and has been in practice for 25 successful years how to perform surgery..

do you?

I don't tell experts on football who have lived it their whole lives how to vote..

They KNOW when it comes to who is deserving and who isn't.. they know what it takes and what teams are sacrificing and who's body of work is strong and who's is not..

Good night to you to!!

Skittle Dreams!!

They are all smart..

Don't worry they don't!!

That is why they dropped Boisie the first chance they got.. Not because Boisie isn't as good as the other schools.. but because it isn't the same playing field as the other schools.. you can't continually play cup cake city week after week and expect to get respect..

Oregon jumped em.. they played Stanford

Boisie played New Mexico St.

Wait, wait. Are you seriously comparing doctors to poll voters? Really?

That just went right over you didn't it Clueless? Boise St's strength of schedule (playing in a non BCS league) is twenty spots higher than Nebraska (who is ranked in the top ten and plays "quality" BCS teams week in and week out).

You keep changing your argument so I can't wait for the next turn.

I bet Alabama wishes they could play Toledo today or New Mexico St.

Instead they had to play on the road against a top 25 team in a hostile environment in a stadium that boisie only see's a couple times a year..

But you guys are right a beatdown against Toledo should be measured the same as a loss or win against South Carolina..

It is basically the same.. The measuring stick is the same.. they play the same caliber of opponents week in and week out..

I bet LSU wishes they didn't have to play in Florida tonight and Just play CAl Poly..

Because according to you all that matters is if you go undefeated or not..

I bet all of them could play (well only the teams at the top of the polls and in BCS conferences) your schedule because then they wouldn't have to play any games because then they would automatically be anointed champions.

Looks as if your "experts" were wrong with Alabama. Thank goodness they do play games because according to your reasoning Alabama should have just been crowned national champion at the beginning of the season. But fortunately for the rest of us they do play the games and next week there will be a new number one.

No, actually Clueless, what matters is how you play against your opposition. If you lose to South Carolina you probably shouldn't be number one. If you go out and beat up on the teams you are supposed to be up on, there isn't a single good reason to drop the team down any spots.

I will bet you all the money in the world that the people in the Know will keep Boisie out of the national champ if there are two undefeated BSC conference schools ahead of them and if there aren't 2 undefeated temas they will without a doubt jump a one loss team who has a conference champ game ahead of them because Boisie doesn't have a conference champ game and because of thier weak schedule..

G.I you are right I agree with you South Carolina is an amazing football team.. they are top 15.. I would bet my house Boisie couldn't go on the road and beat south carolina at thier house..

Oh wait we don't have to worry about that because that would never happen because they will just play toledo every week..

IT IS NOT THE SAME MEASUREMENT.. IT IS NOT THE SAME PLAYING FIELD.. TEAMS LIKE TOLEDO AND TEAMS LIKE SOUTH CAROLINA ARE NOT THE SAME..

Lets leave the football to the experts NERDSTROM!!!

where is my gatorade? or are you guys busy with the Tri Lambda sorority tonight??

But they do play teams like toledo every week except for a couple.. it's NOT FAIR

For your info Iowa St would be favored in every game Boisie St plays this year Except for Oregon St Virginia Tech and Nevada.. so that means that NU's worst weakest opponent is better than every team Boisie ST plays against except for 3 of them..

Nice try Tri Lamb

Let me ask you this did you even play football in Jr High or have you always been a waterboy??

Put the Legend of Zelda game down for a minute and actually do some reaserch and actually watch some football and listen to people who know more than we have forgotten about football buddy.. you might learn something

P.S my name is directed towards you buddy!!!

You mean the Jackrabbits of South Dakota St a D IAA team that Nebraska beat at home 14-3?

I don't know is that their worst team they play?? G.I says it is Iowa ST??

And is Virgina Tech Boisie ST's big signature win then.. By the way who lost to James Madison the very next week AT HOME a 1AA school..

That should boost em up Vir Tech is quality as well

Wait now you are bringing odds into this clueless. Just how far are you going to go just to prove a point you can't prove. Every time one of your points is challenged you change your argument.

So far in your system of who should play for the national championship it has been how they have fared against BCS competition over the last two years (that one fell flat when it was shown that at leas one national championship was one by a team with a similar win percentage as Boise St), then you changed it just the overall record (which showed that under their current coach Boise St is 6-1 against BCS teams), then you changed it to well it's up to the "experts" because they know all (except that they had a team ranked number 1 that just lost and they are more wrong than right when it comes to placing teams in the polls), now you have changed it to odds.

Again, under your system there is no need to even play any games just anoint whatever team is number one at the start of the season as national champions and all the problems are solved.

I wonder if you even know that a majority of people that watch college football have never played college football. It is really interesting your opinion of football fans, unless they have played college football they can't say anything about the game. What a wonderful world you live in.

"Put the Legend of Zelda game down for a minute and actually do some reaserch and actually watch some football and listen to people who know more than we have forgotten about football buddy.. you might learn something"

I would suggest the same to you but you clearly haven't done that to this point. It's a good thing college football doesn't use your system otherwise teams like Army, BYU, TCU, and SMU would have never even won a championship.

no they are 6-6 against BSC teams.. OVERALL... Not flat on my face.. 74-4 against teams like new mexico st

right the majority of the people who watch football havent played and tyhe majority of the people who watch it don't get votes because they are idiots..

They need to play the games.. not just anoint a champion..

my arguement is that they need to all play the same type of caliber of competition week in and week out to determine who is deserving and who is not..

Playing against ONLY 12 BSC schools in 10 years is not deserving at all..

and then losing half of them..

so that means by that average if they were in a BCS conference they would be just that..

you can't argue that..

numbers don't lie

look it up

You can't deny it I am the voice of reason

You are in the herd with Clueless!!

you aren't getting it.. NU has then played according to your numbers over 160 games against BCS schools to Boisie St's 12.. they need to be more equal to determine if they are worthy or not.. by playing in just 12 of them you aren't going to get respect or be considered since you aren't on the same playing field of measurement as the other schools

why are you so dumb that you can't even understand what I am arguing.. you are arguing something completly different..

THE MEASUREMENT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE BEFORE WE CAN DETERMINE IF BOISIE OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER IS DESERVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EVEN IF THEY WENT 12 -0 IN THOSE GAMES IT ISN'T ENOUGH!!!

THEY NEED TO PLAY IN 160 LIKE THE OTHER SCHOOLS..

THEN IT IS A BEETER VIEW OF WHO IS THE BEST..

AND THE CREAM WILL RISE TO THE TOP...

You didn't win anything.. The only thing you have won is a Mario Bros tournament at buddy's house last weekend

Nerdstrom is the champ!!!

So let me get this straight, you argue that Boise St's overall record in the stretch is the important fact and they are 6-6. When GI points out the Nebraska has a losing record against the BCS in that same span you change your argument once again.

Can you just please stay on one point and stick to it just once?

I am going to try One more time and then I am done.. Since Boise has only plaed 12 BCS schools in the last 10 years we will use that for the sake of the argument.. and for the sake of the argument lets say they went 12 -0 (which they didn't .. and sice you like to use NU we will use them.. G.I sais they were 86-88.. for the sake of the agument lets say they were 0-160 we would then know NU was absolutely terrible but we wouldn't be able to measure NU and Boisie on the same playing field because Boisie had only played in 12 of those type of caliber of games.. it isn't boisie st's fault they do what they have to do they play the cupcake schedule in front of them and that is all they can do.. and they do it well very well in fact .. but you cant tell me or anyone that by playing in 12 of those types of games and playing in 160 is the same thing that you can get and accurate measure since they did not play the same caliber of teams close to the same number of times''''

Please for the love of God tell me you know the difference between 12 and 160 games.. it is not fair..

I know you guys are smart I mean you wear pocket protectors.. you are nerds tell me you can see a diiference between playing in 12 games against BCS teams and playing against 160 regardless of the records in those spans.. there is a difference..

do you know how many BSC schools would be undefeated and hold the same records if they played the same record as Boisie???

I am not changing my argument ever my argument is they need to play more games like NU and all the other BSC schools before we can determine how good they really are...

playing just 12 games as opposed to the number of all other BSC aschools in a 10 year span is not even close. how do you not see that

whether they went o-12 or 12-0 is isn't an accurate measure..

They play 2 or maybe maybe 3 BSC schools a year

all the other BSC schools play each other 8 to 10 times a year..

That is not fair..

THERFORE we cannot determine if they are deserving or not the measuring stick is not consistent.. you can't compare a 59 -0 blowout against toledo to a hard fought game loss to LSU in the final seconds

you just can't

how do you not see that

I am just saying Boisie Needs to play against better competition REGULARLY.. not just 12 times even if it is 12 -0 (which it isn't) before we can determine thier worthiness and if the are deserving or not..

IT IS NOT THE SAME MEASURING STICK!!!

Gimmie a break

One final question are you guys in a soup group or a book of the month group or a arts and crafts group together??

Just asking you are both on the same wave length without seeing the difference between 12 meaningful games and 160??

Goog night Mario.. good night Luigi!!!

GI you know good and well that if Boise St actually got into the championship game and actually won it, clueless would take one of two directions with it. Clueless would either find some way of still deriding Boise St and decide that they still didn't deserve it clueless will announce that he was rooting for them all along (despite his continued attempts to paint them as one of the most undeserving teams of all time).

Here is a prime example of why I don't put nearly as much stock into the "experts" as you do Clueless. Last week they were talking about how Alabama was about to start a dynasty, so far this week they aren't really even giving them a chance of making it back to the National Championship game.

Last week they were absolutely trashing Les Miles for his clock management among other things. This week they are back to calling him a genius because of a botched fake field goal attempt that went their way.

Here's another side by side example. Utah (another non BCS school) beat Iowa St at their place 68-27. Iowa St plays Oklahoma in Norman and plays Nebraska at home. If neither team beats Iowa St more than Utah did does that mean they should still be ranked above Utah? Exact same opponents.

Oh WOW!!! I am done.. I wish I could meet you guys ar draw pictures with crayons and markers so you could get it,, I don't care how many BCS schools and opponents they have wrecked or crushed.. what I do know is unfortunately the measuring stick the BCS uses to determine who is deserving is inaccurate because the playing field that all the schools play on is not the same and that does not just include Boisie St.. all these teams can do is just show up and WRECK the teams they play every week.. would you not agree if they had Alabamas schedule they would have a greater chance of losing than if they had thier own.. I am just using Alabam for the sake of the argument.. it could be a lot of BCS schools schedules.. I am not saying they couldn't wreck through those schedules as well as G.I likes to say I am just saying don't the fans and the voters deserve to see every team do that so we can have a clear cut same playing field same body of work 2 teams at the end to play..

I feel sorry for you Nerdstom and Mikey for always getting picked last for red rover and kick ball or even getting left out!! :)

Trust me I feel for you.. and because you got cut from your football teams in high school..

I wishI could explain why this is unjust and unfair to fans voters to Boisie St and to all other schools.. it isn't fair to anyone involved.

again I wish I could meet you one to laugh and two to get a couple hours to sit you boys down and teach you a little something But unfortunately I won't be attending te annual Legend's of Zeldda tournaments..

PUT THE CONTROLLER DOWN.. TAKE OUT THE POCKET PROTECTOR AND WATCH SOME FOOTBALL..

Wow all your arguments have been tested and rejected so all you can do is yell insults. How 2 year old of you. This is the second time you have said you are done. I wonder ... will you return again to sling even more insults? The world is waiting.

Ok Ok ..

Enough of the arguing here. I have gone back through are posts and there is a lot of things that we do actually agree on we are just using different words and analogies.. I just want to ask you a few questions without trying to sound as defensive as earlier..

My first Question is would you not agree that the BCS rates teams based on the quality of opponents a team plays and where a team stands in the AP and coaches poll throughout the year? do you agree?

Would you agree that most of the top 50 in college football is BCS conference based? Would you agree? (by agreeing to this you are not saying that means that Boisie isn't as good)..

Would you agree that if you continue to stay unbeaten that you will continue to mover higher up in the polls?

Would you agree that the better competition you play and the better the competition you beat the better your chances of climbing the polls and potentially jumping a team in the polls?

I think we all can agree on that.. I am hoping we can anyway??

Now would it be fair to say that the majority of the rankings for the top 50 in college football strength of schedules are BCS conference teams even though there are some in there who are not BCS conference teams and are ranked higer than a lot of BCS progrmas?

so if the majority of the time , but not always most of The BCS conference schools are ranked higher as a team overall and higher in the rankings of strenght of schedule overall would it be fair to say that most of the toughest schedules are those who belong to a BCS conference as they have to play each other as the better teams usually (but not alwyas) consist of better programs? would you agree?

Now having that said I am going to take a few teams and give them bogus records for the sake of the argument using only BCS records..

Lets say over the past ten years Boisie St played 12 BCS conference schools which they did.

Lets say they were 12-0

Lets say Alabama played 100 BCS conference schools and thier record was 12-88

Lets say that LSU played 100 BCS conference schools and thier record was 100-0

So now The question??

Who is the better or more deserving team and in whatorder?? how is this decided?

Boise 12-0

Alabama 12-88 or

LSU 100-0

you could easily say that it is LSU but wait Boisie St did everything that was asked of them they didn't lose a game against a high quality BCS school either during that span. Then you could say well hold on hold on LSU played way way more teams though so thats not fair either..

The only way to know who was better is if they all played around the same number of of temas of the same quality consistently.

You could easily say that Boisie was better than Alabama though right?

I mean Boisie didn't lose a game during that stretch.. But Alabama could say

But wait we won just as many games as Boisie did during that period you can't say that they are better unless they played more games..

They could go 100-0 or they could go 12-88 then we would get a better overall view of how good an actual team really was if they are were closer together on the consistent level..

Now I am just wishful thinking here because to get all the teams on a consistent level is impossible because every conference has good and bad years so the level of competition one plays in is not always the same.. for instance would you agree that the big east and the SEC don't play against the same level of competition and the big ten and the wac don't play against the same level of competition..

That doesn't mean that teams from the weaker conferences couldn't still do well or even very well in those other conferences but how will we ever know that? how would we decide if they would or wouldn't..

We can't !!!

This is just completely unfair.. It is unfair to Boisie most of all because all they do is show up week in and week out and beat teams up right? It isn't their fault that their conference isn't as strong as the others they show up and play the schedule the are asked to play and thats all they can do..

But wait it also isn't fair to the BCSprograms either to say that they are better than Boisie or to say that Boisie is better than them whether a team hasn't lost or has one loss ect because the caliber of programs a team goes up against on a weekly basis is not consistently the same in a competition standpoint.

In my opinion and college football keeps getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger and making it happen is to form super conferences forming 12 to 16 teams

The big ten and the pac 10 are trying to expand and this will happen.. the big 12 will eventually get broken up and conferences will add teams and realign.. this way these super canferences will be stacked and the regular season will be like a playoff system even more so and a even bigger gauntlet to go through and remain unbeaten in..

and in my opinion the first teams to get picked up to join these conferences who would be assets to add would be the likes of Boisie St, Utah(who already has been picked up) TCU, BYU , Notre Dame, Nevada, Fresno St, Navy, Air Force and Houston.

Kind you kinda see my gripe and my argument now how the level of measurement we use right now is so unfair so un even so unjust.. It is not fair to BCS programs it is not fair to non BCS programs it is not fair to the fans of these teams or the coaches the players ot the voters or college football..

On a closing not a BCS insider who is invloved with the BCS said this morning that if the BCS polls came out today that Boisie would be number 1 he also said that if all the teams with no losses behind them or even a few one loss teams with stronger schedules kept winning they would without a doubt before the end of the year jump Boisie St.. Is this fair? is it unfair? that is the question..

Wouldn't it be nice to not have to debate it and have all the teams close to on the same playing field and play consistently week in and week out the same caliber of opponents

Because according to the BCS insider on ESPN (sorry I don't remember his name.. he wasn't a famous guy anyway just involved with the BCS)that the reason Boisie will drop before the end of the year is because they won't play a top 50 program the remaining of the year as of now except for Nevada..

Is this fair is this not fair..

I don't know some think yes some think no

I however think yes because in my opinion the body of work the other teams put in is a much grander task than those other teams in non BCS conferences. It is unfair to other teams yes I know but on the other hand you could say it is unfair to the BSC schools. Until we form these super conferences or figure out a way so eveyone plays the same level of competition as closely and consistently as we can make it then in my opionin Boisie should be left out.

Whether you agree or dis-agree you cannot deny my argument or my gripe and see why I have the argument as well as I can understand your gripe and your argument..

My prediction is Ohio St. vs. NU for the National Champ in a defensive low scoring game Ohio St wins 20 - 17

I heard the same story but don't remember the guys name either. He is absolutely right too. But he only took in account if there are many undefeated teams left at the end of the season. If at the end of the season Boise St is the only undefeated team left it would be hard to keep them out.

I agree to all your questions.

I do not believe that either Ohio St or Nebraska will make it to the national championship at the end of the season. Ohio St still has questions on defense and from week to week we aren't sure which Martinez will show up for Nebraska.

The only team, right now, that I am pretty sure will be near the top at the end of the season is Oregon. I don't think a team from the SEC will make it though, for the first time in many years. The West is stacked and more than likely everyone will have two losses at season's end. Other than South Carolina (who looked impressive against Alabama but not against anyone else) won't even sniff the championship.

You were right about Oregon. Auburn is much better than any of us could have thought. Tough loss for Boise, should have won.

Many important games left to play.

LSU has Arkansas.

Auburn has SEC Championship game.

Oregon has the "legitimizer" Oregon State.

Big 12 has Championship game.

TCU has 1-10 New Mexico.

What bowl did Boisie St go to again?? and who did they lose to in the reg season??

Who did Nebraska lose to? After beating them by 35? In the exact same bowl game they played in last year?

It looks like I backed the wrong non-BCS team. TCU looked very impressive against Wisconsin. Granted it was a Big Ten team but TCU will finish the season 13-0 and most likely ranked 3rd. This was their final game as a non-BCS team.

Why are we talking about NEB? I asked you about Boisie St. I thought the blog was about Boisie St and if they are a National Title contender... and you are right about TCU I do think they are legit however the win they barely squeaked out against Wisconsin doesn't mean as much as they BIG TEN once again is getting thrashed in bowl games and doesn't look to strong.

The Big Ten is horrible and has been for a good long while. Having said that I don't think you can take the fact that TCU won away just because of who they played.

While TCU and Boise finished strong I think that Auburn, LSU, and Alabama would beat them handily.

I think that if TCU or Boise were in the SEC West they would lose to all three of those teams and Arkansas and Mississippi State would beat both of them at home and split with them on the Road.

I would have disagreed with you at most points in this season, but after watching the SEC in the bowl season and Auburn last night I completely agree. Defense is king in the SEC and high octane offenses do not do well against them.

If the Arkansas defense that showed up in the second half had showed up in the first half and the WRs remembered that when the ball is thrown to them they are supposed to catch it, the SEC would have been undefeated in January bowl this year.

It is crazy how good the SEC is. I don't think any of us could have predicted how dominant the SEC was going to be this year considering this was suppose to be some what of a down year for the conference. Having that said I looked at some of the schedules of this year and also with a little help from my guy Colin Cowherd on some of the stats but in a way it is kinda easy to see why the SEC does so well in BSC bowl games and reg bowl games and big time stages. Here are me reasons why...

These are some random teams I picked to look at there schedules most are SEC and the 2 non-BCS conference teams that could for sure compete with the big boys. Having that said this is why the BCS conference teams and mostly the SEC has an advantage it is because the SEC and most BSC conference teams are battle tested facing more teams that go to bowl games in hostile environments on a weekly basis...

Here are some 2010 schedule stats (just REG season does not include the bowl opponents)

Alabama played 9 teams that went on to play in bowl games. All of them BSC confernce opponents.

Auburn played 9 teams that went on to play in bowl games. All 9 of them BCS conference opponents.

LSU played 8 teams that went on to play in bowl games. All 8 of them BCS conference opponents

Arkansas played 7 teams that went on to play in bowl games. All 7 of them BCS conference opponents.

Oklahoma played 7 teams that went on to play in bowl games. All 7 from a BCS conference.

Ohio St played 6 teams that went on to play in bowl games. All 6 of them were BCS conference opponents.

TCU played against 5 teams that went on to play in bowl games. 1 of them from a BCS conference.

Boisie St played against 5 teams that went on to play in bowl games. 1 of them from a BCS confernece.

The reason these teams at the top deserve to be there is because they are battle tested and they go through a gauntlet of a schedule and is probably the reason for the SEC's succes this year because of the multiple tests week in and week out they face. Once these teams make it to a bowl game or go to the National Champ game the lights aren't so big to them because of all the big stages they have already played on the whole course of the season. Auburn wasn't rattled in a close game last night because it came from behind all year and was in tight games all year from the SEC. While Oregon had one close game all year and wasn't battle tested or prepared for that type of environment.

Here was to a great 2010 college football season.

Can't wait for 2011!!!