The People Simply Are Not Buying It

The theory is that since mike is only making lets say 20,000 a year 25% of his earnings is a considerably larger chunk than 25% of your earnings at lets say 40,000 per year.

The system aims (from my understanding) to take around the same amount from everyone.

You know wallis even if we had just a flat tax rate, which Republicans bring up every now and then, you would still end up paying more taxes than me.

What does me moving around have anything to do with it anyways or are you once again attempting to publicly talk about what I have done throughout my life.

You know you really are a nosy nelly. What is your infatuation with knowing everything about everyone.

Congratulations on getting your degree at 23 not everyone knows that all you are doing is trying to prove that you are better than me. Yay!

But I am with GI on this and I will go an extra step. Until you actually admit that you were wrong about your attempt to drum up a gay bashing episode where none existed I see no reason to answer to you.

This is the second time in less than a year that you have been caught in a lie. Your track record is horrible. So do you admit you were wrong on your gay bashing non controversy?

wallis, I don't know where you are getting information on me. I really don't care if it is int he public sphere I am not comfortable with you putting out little tidbits on me every so often without my permission.

I am asking you now to stop or I will take action if I have to. It may be public knowledge but it is still my property.

FYI. Greenberg, Quinlan, Rosner Research is a progressive (liberal, emphasis mine) polling group, as is stated on their web site. In reading the polling sample, you will find it is loaded 51% Democrat, 32% Republican. With this being true, not looking good for Democrats.

Where is the emphasis? You said "emphasis mine" but I saw no emphasis anywhere.

He is right, GI they do state that they are committed to progressive ideals (though they never say liberal, that was just made up by CPB). You have to remember GI, we live in an era now where if you mention progressive you actually mean liberal ... at least to CPB and others.

But as for the mysterious 51-32% Democrat-Republican I can also not see that anywhere in the site. Their only mention of the sample data is as follows:

METHODOLOGY

This memo is based on a poll conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner for Democracy Corps and Campaign for America's Future with support from MoveOn.org Political Action, AFSCME and SEIU. The poll was conducted July 26-29, 2010 among 2008 voters nationwide. All data shown reflects results from 866 likely 2010 voters (910 unweighted; margin of error of 3.2 percentage points) unless otherwise noted.

http://greenbergresearch.com/index.php?ID=2482

Geez wallis, I didn't realize that rich guys like you had armed guards protecting all your valuable assets and its all provided by the government! More drivel from the loons on the left. I just figured you had more liability in owning your own business like me. Something teachers will never know anything about. Mike's right, I guess we should continue going into debt 2 trillion a year, especially to keep all of our teachers and public servants employed as everyone elses jobs are drying up.

Oh no Justin you wouldn't want to keep the teachers employed. Who else would teach the liberal indoctrination that you people continue to dream up.

Only someone such as yourself could actually hate teachers because their jobs were saved this week. That's just sad.

Why are we continuing to go into debt Justin? I know you'll dream up some fun answers but the two biggest are the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Bush era tax cuts. The entitlement programs you despise so much really don't put much of a dent into the debt at all.

The health care that you continue to predict will cause the deficit to skyrocket is actually designed to draw down the debt.

Even the teachers and public servants you despise so much that were just saved with the state aid bill was a bill that was deficit neutral.

So exactly what is your point?

I gotta give you credit, Justin, you have stayed around longer this time than normal.

But I gotta admit I don't truly understand the theme being pushed now by conservatives. They have been complaining and moaning for two years about creating and/or saving jobs. A bill is actually passed to save jobs and conservative are now ... complaining and moaning ... because ... Congress acted to save ... jobs.

I have to admit I just don't get it. Either you want jobs created or you don't.

Oh wait, now I get it, you only want jobs created if conservatives do the creating, but since you still hold onto that mystic belief that cutting taxes creates and/or saves jobs, you actually wouldn't do anything about jobs and the recession would just get worse.

More of the same on a different day.

I don't understand how any rational minded individual can think that cutting taxes while increasing or holding spending the same is going to work? Budgeting is a balancing act, if you take from column A you have to take from column B or you get what we have now continuously rising debt.

It is truly amazing Justin76. Our lives probably have many parallels. I'll bet we both went to college and had to pay our own ways. Wile there we both learned to budget our money, learned budgets don't lie, and you cannot lie to your budget. We both graduated and got jobs, probably not the high paying jobs we were promised, but jobs that got us by and jobs we could master. We then realized we don't like working for other people and dreamed of self-employment. Meanwhile, we got married, had kids, bought a house, and that dream got pushed back a little. Again, we budgeted cut out all the wants and lived by the needs.

Eventually, we saved up enough money, capital, and went out on our own. We had to present our business plans to the banker, the accountant, and sadly, a lawyer. They all took turns tweaking it until it looked nothing like we had planned. So we started over, and finally made it. It was very tough at first, no one knows you, no reputation to build on, and we got hungry. Those classes from business administration and finance did little to prepare you for this. And we got hungry.

But we did make it, and are reasonably successful. And now we are told by a professional student, and unemployable teacher wannabe, and a gaggle of miscreants who post at all times during the day, meaning non-working, that we are wrong.

No, we are right, and our lives prove it. We pay out more in taxes than they do. We receive less in governmental benefits than they do. We work longer hours than they do. We find ways to spend more time with our families than they do. It's called living in the REAL world.

The problem with your liberal thinking is that it makes no sense. You seem to want government to create jobs. The only way to create jobs is to let the economy make money. Businesses need to make money. Rich people need things to spend money on. You don't create jobs mike, I'm sure Guillermo doesn't either. Wallis does. I do. You guys are so pathetically predictable. ..I have a problem with our government spending trillions of dollars of my kids' future economy to help unions, but have to sit here and watch them destroy and demonize everyone else trying to make a buck and raise a family. This issue just happens to include teachers and now you libs think I want our kids to be uneducated as Guillermo puts it. Well supporting teachers is fine and dandy but what about the rest of us? Don't we count?

Guillermo, you are just an arrogant ***. My patience for you running conservatives down as uneducated morons is running out. Your attitudes toward others characterizes you libs well. It's what gives me the biggest kick out you guys, along with the global warming morons that use more energy than everyone else, but want everybody else to go without. You preach to us that we're haters, bigots, racists...whatever suits your need, but as you confront a non liberal, look at you spill the hate. Hypocrites like you are what keep people like me going. You have a superiority complex, maybe you should be an advisor to Obama, I don't think you understand people any better than he does.

So at what at what point do we think its safe to stop bailing out unions while everyone is sinking? At what point do we stop spending and start cutting? Should all americans just become teachers and auto workers? Maybe we should just eliminate the private sector all together and everyone could just work for thr government.

Did you guys read about the economic devastation in the gulf do to the lost jobs jobs from the drilling moratorium? Those people have hopes and American dreams too. The restaurant owners, store owners, teachers...etc. How do you respond to ruining their lives to make political hay out of the worst environmental disaster that never happened? How do you respond to the government forcing bp to compensate people for damages that most likely didn't happen, now there's a mass of fraudulent claims to those funds and the repercussions of those events are hurting the average retirees all over the country that count on bp shares for their income. These are people that worked 7 days a week owning their own businesses over the years and wiund up with bp stock due to business acquisitions of other petroleum comoqn. Was it their fault? What about their bailouts. This is what happens when government gets involved. Some of you think that government is the great equalizer and and the great savior, but you are wrong. Just as you say this country shouldn't be governed by Christian doctrine, this country should not be controlled by government.

The polarizing nature of politics these days is not good no matter who's in charge. Even presidents are engaged in making political hay out of any mess to score points for his party and people get hurt. Period.

@CPB Sorry buddy, your sadly wrong. I work 40+ hours a week at my day job. Then another at least 20+ hours a week doing various other things. I went to college, it was boring so I dropped out. Luckily I'm smart enough that I don't need a degree to do what I love.

Although at times life is rough for me I don't take government handouts. I figure that as bad as I may have it at any given point in time someone else is more than likely worse off than I am, and therefore more deserving of the help. I pay for my own insurance as well which as we all know is currently ridiculous. Especially considering how much I usually have to pay out of pocket after the fact.

Why can I post at all times of the day? I have internet on my cell phone. I can be anywhere and check this or any other online board literally whenever I want it.

Sorry I don't fit your mold of what a progressive/liberal should be. I personally want more freedom in my everyday life. Being that I'm only 26 I've only been actively following politics for a number years. The Clinton years were excellent, the bush years not so much. We lost more freedom under that Administration than we have in years. We took a surplus budget and turned it into the biggest deficit in history. Not very impressive in my book.

"No, we are right, and our lives prove it. We pay out more in taxes than they do. We receive less in governmental benefits than they do. We work longer hours than they do. We find ways to spend more time with our families than they do. It's called living in the REAL world."

Translation, I'm better than you so just shut up already because I am right you are wrong, yadda yadda yadda

Justin, are you so full of yourself that you honestly believe that because you have more money to spend that you ACTUALLY create jobs? Wow, that is special. None of us create jobs we don't have that kind of power (I know that's a huge blow to your psyche but it's true). Your way of thinking has been tried twice and has failed twice, doing it for a third time will send this country into a depression.

Hope you are happy for yourself wallis. Once again instead of actually adding anything into the debate all you have done is given those like you can't debate ammunition to attack others. Bravo, you are a fine outstanding man.

"Justin, are you so full of yourself that you honestly believe that because you have more money to spend that you ACTUALLY create jobs? Wow, that is special. None of us create jobs we don't have that kind of power (I know that's a huge blow to your psyche but it's true). Your way of thinking has been tried twice and has failed twice, doing it for a third time will send this country into a depression."

Translation: How dare you go out and put forth such effort while I sit around in my underwear all day. How dare you capture you market and make so much money that you need to hire employees while I drink beer on my front porch all day long in my dirty underwear.

"Hope you are happy for yourself wallis. Once again instead of actually adding anything into the debate all you have done is given those like you can't debate ammunition to attack others. Bravo, you are a fine outstanding man."

Translation: We're getting our butts handed to us.

Hey CPB why haven't you posted a link to that mysterious 51-32 claim you made?

"Did you guys read about the economic devastation in the gulf do to the lost jobs jobs from the drilling moratorium? "

Did you absolutely make up that claim Justin? The moratorium lasted maybe two weeks before it was overturned. It didn't cause the economic devastation. The oil spill caused by cheap building material and shortcuts caused the economic devastation.

http://rightwingnews.com/2010/08/conservative-bloggers-select-the-25-worst-figur...

You really have to question a poll asking for the worst figures in American history and Osama bin Laden is NOWHERE on the list. Those crazy conservative bloggers.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38682634

Tax article. You guys are smarter than I am so blow holes in it.

BTW A moratorium is still in place in the Gulf. Drilling Rig count is down a lot.

It's there Mike, you have really dig for it. I found it, so should you.

Well at least you can admit you made up the numbers CPB.

Whoa did you guys see this the other day?

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15772710?source=commented-

Wow, Damu, that's police brutality at it's worst. I'm sure the guy was probably intoxicated and acting stupid on the phone just judging from his hand motions, but the attack from the officer was completely unjustified.

@MH What is really scary about this is there are a number of states talking about making video taping police officers illegal. Do you think the gentleman that was casually talking on his phone would have had the charges dropped if video evidence of this didn't exist?

Absolutely not. More than likely he would have been charged with assaulting an officer, per the officer's description of the incident, and probably interfering in a police matter.

He would serve jail time and have that on his record for a long time to come.

http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mn=306904&pt=msg&mid=9403497

Off topic of Obama support of Muslim center at Ground Zero where Muslim extremists killed more Americans than Japanese killed in Pearl Harbor sneak attack that put America into World War 2.

This is a story that illustrates Obama lack of concern with border issues.

Whoa did you guys see this the other day?

http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_1...

-- Posted by Damu on Mon, Aug 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM

I believe that an officer should have audio and video recording at all times. An officer of the law is expected to remain professional at all times and during all encounters...in my experience this is not always the case. If officers of the law were audio/video recorded during all encounters it would put an end to false reporting on the side of officers as well as help protect them against unwarranted accusations.