Oh Those Wacky Politicians

You must live on this website to have a response that quick hank. That's on par with Steffanie. Kudos.

Very nice reformed. :)

Yes every single misspelled sign, every racial and gay epitaph, every spitting (that DIDN'T occur apparently) were pulled off by liberal socialist operatives. You caught us, red handed as it were.

Do you read what you copy and past hank or just believe it hook line and sinker.

So let me see if I get this straight. The Republicans were trying to save Medicare/Medicaid because they were going to do away with it anyways? That is perhaps the grandest circle-logic I have ever witnessed and it holds absolutely no water what-so-ever.

You know it's interesting, since its inception Republicans have been claiming that Social Security is going to go bankrupt. This claim is close to 70 years old and yet it has not happened yet. Social Security will be fine as long as we do not have any politicians trying to put the money in the market again.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling, right hank? You crack me up. I can not wait for your next copy and paste comment.

Mike,

At one of the Health Care Town Halls on a university campus last summer, a young woman with three small children at her side was speaking in support of Reform.

An over-weight and over-painted Fifty-Something female; "lady" would be a gross inaccuracy; SCREAMED -- "YOU SHUT TO HELL UP, my grandfather died in World War Two!! This health care is communism and he died fighting communism."

[Never mind that in WWII the U.S and USSR were allies and Nazis and Fascists were the enemy.]

Security moved in and controlled the screamer.

The young woman said very softly, "My daddy died in Viet Nam fighting the communists and my babies' daddy died in Iraq last year."

"We need health care reform because I cannot afford health insurance or doctors' visits for my children."

The screamer, tea bags swinging from the brim of her big straw hat, could not leave the place fast enough.

Mike,

When I first started coming in on your blog and Sam's, I honestly thought most of the extremist neo-con voices were simply people who had not been exposed to the real world.

In the case of Backassward Enrique, Mrs. Smith, Mickel and some others on the GAZETTE blogs, that's obviously not the case.

Trying to conduct an intelligent exchange of facts or to debate with them is very much a matter of engaging in armed conflict carrying a BAR or M-14, RPG or from within an Abrams tank against an unarmed man in a loin cloth swinging a broken Banzai Tree limb.

Studied, determined ignorance is the only accurate description for them.

Have a friend in the next county who has been one of that area's two premier custom developers/builders for 30 years.

The bank he had returned nice profits to for at least 25 of those 30 years tried to skin him alive as they have with a number of developers in the southeast.

He quickly sold an Outer Banks Beach House to some Yankees and a Gatlinburg, Tennessee condo to Nashville types to clear the ongoing line of credit they had refused to renew.

Now he has a seven house development, with the 2500-3000 sq. ft. two story homes each on a small lot, but all seven families to share 20 acres of developed open space, between the houses and a year-round stream flowing from a major lake upstream. Absolute dream situation for families.

Without financing he can't finish.

Tomorrow afternoon I take the front man for an investment group to inspect the property and see if we can put together a deal to complete the project and let both of them come out ahead.

Backassward Enrique will never understand why a decrepit Old **** would rather do that than sit in front of the tube watching Glen Beck or Coulter or Limburger shovel manure.

Hope manure doesn't offend someone with ties to the Republican Valley -- but as Mrs. Truman told one of the Vanderbilt ladies, "You wouldn't complain about the President saying manure, if you knew how long it took me to get him to say manure."

To bad so many neo-cons consider brains and manure to be inter-changeable in their small world.

Every major financial publication this week is reporting all the signs the economy is coming back stronger and stronger.

Without exception they point to GREEN INDUSTRY as the biggest potential job creating segment for the U.S.

Boone Pickens was on NPR yesterday outlining how many jobs wind farms will create if we get to building.

Meanwhile 25 West Virginia families are in mourning, because Massey Energy Company piled up 105 safety violations this year and rather than correct the many problems in the "Performance Mine" increased production, increasing the already unsafe methane.

That is gross, greedy capitalism gone beserk. Multi-millionaire company execs putting their wallets ahead of lives.

But those Massey execs are Sam's and Backassward Enrique's kind of people, practicing the ancient art of killing working men for fun and profit.

hank again with the circle logic that they were trying to save money that was being wasted in Medicare/Medicaid that can now be cut out and help pay for HCR (which the Republicans wanted) and the Republicans started screaming and shouting that they were cutting needed programs out of Medicare/Medicaid which they new was patently false, but which you took hook, line and sinker.

Then the Republicans turned right around and announced that they were planning on doing away with Medicare/Medicaid in blatant hypocrisy form.

A kindergartner could figure all this out huh? Then how do you explain Bush and the Republicans wanted to lock Social Security into the stock market? I suppose a pre-schooler could have told them that as bad as the market fluctuates that would have bankrupted Social Security much sooner than the doom and gloomers such as yourself predicted.

Another interesting not. Every single post from you decries the spending ways of the Democrats and yet you somehow always find a way to either omit or excuse the spending ways of the Republicans in the 00s, many of which are still around, decrying the spending of the Democrats. Obama and the Democrats wanted to put together a group that would look at ways of bringing the deficit down, some Republicans were on board until they were reminded that they were supposed to be obstructing and then they voted against a bill that would have created that board which they co-sponsored. Republicans are not interested in cutting spending or reigning in the deficit, they are only interested in saying the right things to get re-elected.

By the way hank I know I am your personal hero but you think you could have painted the horns and laser eyes in a little bit better on the avatar you created to honor me. I am sure its supposed to be an insult but coming from you I will take it as an homage.

To the editors that decide which avatars stay and which ones go, PLEASE LEAVE HANKS AVATAR UP. I rather like it.

Hank, the sole reason I debate with them (I know it takes a lot out of a person) is because I am presenting the facts while they are simply giving us lines like "You two bozo's realize those signs were planted there by liberal socialist operatives don't you?" by hankherndon. That would be the funniest line of the day so far if he were not actually serious.

For every person that is only interested in spouting off inaccuracies, lies, and distortions I will be here to correct them.

By the way for those that did not catch the reference in the title of the blog, it is a take off a line from the Andy Griffith Show (one of the best tv shows of all time) when Barney muttered, "Boy those giraffes"

Bonus points to anyone who can tell me what Barney called the giraffes.

hank I have to know do you ever tire of posting the same comments over and over again?

On the funnier side of politics, good old Newt Gingrich is making headlines again. He is now saying that the Republicans WHEN they take control of Congress next January (bold prediction) they should just shut down the government until January 2013 when a new Republican president and Congress will restart the government and run it the way it should be (endless war, record breaking deficits, taxing the poor and middle class, tax breaks for the rich, you know, the good old days).

There's only one slight problem with that. Gingrich already tried this, twice, in the 90s and as I recall President Clinton became more popular for standing up to the Republicans and the people started seeing the cracks in the Republican think tank. I invite the Republicans to go ahead and try that. Sure it will send the country into a depression it has never seen, but much more than that it will guarantee Obama being elected and Democrats regaining the Congress. As much as people say they hate the federal government they hate a non-working government even more.

What planet does he reside in these days?

Wow, competing blogs, take the titles off and one couldn't tell what blog you were on.

Still way better than the soaps

Beer and popcorn goes well with comicrat blogs.

Awww, hank why'd you take the avatar off? I rather enjoyed the homage you paid to me.

HEY RRW,

I just love it every time Newt the Cipher climbs from under his rock.

Early in his congressional career, Newton represented the primarily "Academic" district which was the only fully moderate district in Georgia.

This was after election reform which made it illegal to vote if you've been dead more than five years.

Anyway, the good ol' boys of the Dixie-Crat GOP redistricted and "GERRYMANDERED" Newton right into a strung out ultra conservative district.

As soon as he realized what was going on, he left the moderate folks and started campaigning in the remote sections of his new district.

SHADES OF DELIVERANE and Burt Reynolds!!!!

Tree-Hugging, Sierra Club favorite in the morning, to the right of Pat Buchanan by dark.

Wonderful to experience so much integrity

Put a miniskirt, sheer blouse, blonde wig, fishnet hose and high heels on him and send him out with the other street walkers.

Say -- does anyone have any have a gunny sack full of corncobs to drop off at Backassward Enrique's door.

Word's out that they finally got a two-holer privy dug and operating last month and he really needs some dry cobs.

Doesn't like ruining the pictures in the Rears and Sawbuck catalog, so could use the cobs.

Hey Edmundo,

Got the arrow out about two hours before they managed to remove that Cranial Rectal Suppository you use so frequently.

your blog is really boring, no posts since friday and 6:41 PM

You comicrats running dry?

Go Read Herndonhanks post, you can throw away your encycolpedias after reading just one. Google has nothing on hank, he is the man, I think he wrote the encyclopedia... when I want to find something I type in www.hank.com and the stuff start running.

I am going back to sam's post much better over there.

So your one post is complaining about the lack of posts, complaining about Hank being smarter than you, and then announcing you are going to another blog. What, so much information you can not debate on so you take your ball and leave? Never thought the Republican method of governing would actually make it down to regular Americans but there you go.

I think it's hilarious that someone who quit as governor half was through her term thinks that she has an advantage over the president by calling him a community organizer. And seriously, who actually thinks calling someone a community organizer is an insult?

Oh and President Reagan used teleprompters and also called for a world free of nukes and initially called for reduction of nukes of 30%. Sound familiar? It should it's the exact same number Obama called for. Who would have thought that Obama and Reagan would have so much in common? What say you half governor Palin? Oh, another childish insult? Great comeback.

The only thing that I would love to see but know full well that this "librul" media never will ask Sarah and the others that have no knowledge of history is if what Obama is doing concerning our nuclear (and no Sarah it is not pronounced nucular) stockpile why was it okay for Reagan to do and say the exact same thing. Further proof that Obama can act and do things that are Conservative in nature and the Republicants will still complain.

Naturally the facts haven't gotten in the way of Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Sean Hannity from lying about what it actually in the START program. They want all of America that hangs on every word they say to believe that if we are attacked with biological agents the new agreement that Obama has signed will not let us retaliate with nuclear weapons (hey lookie there they are using fear to confuse their supporters ... AGAIN). This is of course completely false and it makes you wonder what universe they are from that they can read (or not read and just make up more than likely) something in black and white and decide it says something it does not. Wonderful Republicans these people are.

edmundburke, what is this president doing to this country that you are so opposed to? Just a note I am not interested in the lies of the Tea Party, the lies of Fox News, the lies of Washington Republicans. I want verifiable proof that Obama has done something horrible to this country?

And before you answer I do not want any answers that past Republicans presidents have done that are somehow defensible, but Obama doing the same exact thing is somehow horrible.

I do not want to hear about how he has crippled or national security and weakened us in the eyes of the world (because that does not really work considering he is holding conference right now with more foreign leaders meeting at the same place since the creation of the UN.

I am not interested in the lie of him ratcheting up the debt considering that he is still working with Bush's debt.

I am not interested in hearing how he is a liberal, marxist, fascist: unless you can back it up with facts.

I do not want to hear how his socialist health care reform is going to ruin the country (considering that it is a conservative law).

I just want cold, verifiable, facts about what Obama is doing to this country.

Jackie you keep talking about these truths. Do you care to tell us how you know they are true? Has there been research done on these topics that make them truth or fact?

By the way Jackie just a tip for the future, if something is a stereotype it by definition is not truth. I can be true in some circles but it does not represent the whole or even the half of thruth.

Big question for JACQUES LE TREE DE HORN.

What is the background of that pedal steel?

Can the operator produce SHOTGUN BOOGIE?

Herndon Hank, Way up there you quoted a young woman, who's husband died in Iraq, last year, as stating: "The young woman said very softly, "My daddy died in Viet Nam fighting the communists and my babies' daddy died in Iraq last year."

"We need health care reform because I cannot afford health insurance or doctors' visits for my children." "

The quote is in error, or this young lady did not have a husband who was killed in Iraq. Military widows have many benefits, especially Tricare (Military version of Medicare), plus an Monthly income for herself (until she remarries), and for the Children until they are 23 (if attending College). Other benefits are there, but this is the short version, to what I call a misrepresentation (or lie).

Not a dig, just an FYI.

Arley

edmundburke, are you hankherndon? Because I noticed that hank has not posted since last week and now you show up calling me the exact same name as hank did. Very strange indeed.

Anyways Obama has still yet to approach the Bush deficit spending where seemingly everyone was paying a ton of taxes and yet somehow the rich were getting tax breaks. What nuclear expansion are you referring to? Iran already had the nuclear capability before Obama so to blame him for something when he was not even in office is a huge leap. I know of no other countries in the Middle East with the capability or even attempting to get the capability.

Many of the things that have you so steamed occurred under the last president not this one so your anger seems a bit misplaced.

Odd that all Americans getting affordable insurance is something that would make you angry. I can not defend that one. That is more a personal anger choice.

You say you wasted 20 seconds on that list so how about wasting another 20 seconds on things he has actually done and not the previous president.

We will see how good the Democrats are at governing over the next 6 months. Thanks to the Democrats oil is going much higher, the stock market will sell off (which will mean big opportunities if you are in cash), interest rates are going much higher which will mean lower real estate values (again good if you are in cash and can afford it). It is going to be funny to watch the spin as the Democrats try to convince their base that greed and manipulation and speculation are to blame. OH Those Wacky Democrats!

Are any of you guys smart enough to get ready? I would also recommend paying off your credit card's if you have any outstanding debt.

"Massive debt, nuclear expansion in the Middle East, welfare for his corporate cronies, bailouts for his union cronies, health insurance for the masses and massive taxes for the rest, massive budget deficits, mortgage bailouts of the undeserving, I could go on but I've already spent 20 seconds thinking these up.

-- Posted by edmundburke on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 3:30 PM"

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Massive debt- Two Bush Administrations, 100% responsible for the nation's present $12-TRILLION national debt. Any added debt for 2009/10 purely caused by Bush/Cheney mismanagement of wars and financial regulatory operations.

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"Nuclear expansion in the Middle East" -- Allowed in Pakistan by Poppa Bush, in Korea by DubYah.

This administration has secured total international cooperation to shut down Korea and Iran from the outside world, until they comply with requirements. Both were allowed to build their nuclear capability during the Bush/Cheney years. Per the SOP -- President Obama is cleaning up the Bush/Cheney disasters.

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"welfare for his corporate cronies" -- As in the massive no-bid contracts Bush/Cheney granted Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater and White House endorsement of Enron, among others. (All those no-bid contracts have been identified as being riddled with fraud by DOD auditors, the OMB and FEMA audits, without exception.)

LEST WE FORGET -- $5.00+ gas during times of crude oil surpluses as DubYah's and Shotgun Cheney's welfare for oil company cronies gambit.

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"bailouts for his union cronies" -- AIG, CitiGroup, Bank of America, et al are the "union cronies." Auto unions gave up wages, benefits, retirement funds, job security and vacations, and used retirement funds to help bail out G.M.

GM stockholders have a chance to recover. GM employees only benefit 20% as much from the same source, after giving up at least three times as much. That's one helluva bailout.

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"health insurance for the masses and massive taxes for the rest" -- CBO numbers show major savings for at least 15 years from HCR. Taxes for middle-income earners have been reduced more than two dozen times in 2009 and 2010.

Not even Miz Sary can invent the new taxes.

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" massive budget deficits" -- All tied directly to the multiple disasters and $11-TRILLION DEBT left behind by Bush/Cheney. Those geniuses had eight years with solid GOP congressional support to lose two wars, destroy the banking system, create economic chaos and fatten the pockets of their cronies;

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The Dow is above 11,000 Monday, for the first time since September, 2008.

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"mortgage bailouts of the undeserving" -- As opposed to $1-BILLION in bonuses for Merrill-Lynch executives who were rewarded for destroying their companies and defrauding stockholders?

AS opposed to the $2-Trillion it will cost to save AIG and salvage those who bought the bankers' worthless Mortgage Based Securities, as allowed during the Bush/Cheney regime.

The sub-prime mortgage fraud pushed by commission and bonus hungry banking executives with their developer buddies created the mess, assuring working people home ownership was a win-win, no lose guarantee.

The undeserving -- Two income families, unable to pay $4,000 monthly mortgage and housing costs.

A mother with a work-disabled husband, whose company filed bankruptcy. She is working two 40-hour per week jobs and is unable to cover the mortgage, because he has no medical coverage., because his $250 monthly group insurance contribution was diverted by the employer.

A 55-year-old truck driver; where the company attempted to skim $8,000 from his earnings over two years, accused him of wrecking a truck records show he never touched or drove, blackballed him for seven months, and stalled legal action for six months. The man has never had a vacation. Undeserving -- WRONG!!

BURKE, you clearly spent two seconds inventing lies.

Herndon Hank, Way up there you quoted a young woman, who's husband died in Iraq, last year, as stating: "The young woman said very softly, "My daddy died in Viet Nam fighting the communists and my babies' daddy died in Iraq last year."

"We need health care reform because I cannot afford health insurance or doctors' visits for my children." "

The quote is in error, or this young lady did not have a husband who was killed in Iraq. Military widows have many benefits, especially Tricare (Military version of Medicare), plus an Monthly income for herself (until she remarries), and for the Children until they are 23 (if attending College). Other benefits are there, but this is the short version, to what I call a misrepresentation (or lie).

Not a dig, just an FYI. Arley

-- Posted by Navyblue on Mon, Apr 12, 2010, at 5:30 PM

Arley,

SURE IN A PERFECT WORLD-- But at that point, she had not been able to get benefits squared away. Her parents were caring for the kids 200 miles away in the mountains, while she attended school at the college where the town hall was underway.

Rode with a friend, 4 a.m. Monday to Noon Friday.

Eight hours on the road, 30 hours home with the kids.

The Democratic Congressman present signaled a staffer to get her backstage and see what help she needed.

She could not wait forever until the paperwork was squared away. Finishing her education was vital.

Unfortunately, in her rural district, the GOP congressman was concentrating upon fighting all things OBAMA and didn't have time to help her.

Even though she was not resident in his district, the Liberal Democrat went to work on it.

Within minutes after her statement, she was on the staffer's cell phone to their D.C. office and getting help. She came back into the auditorium before the Town Hall session broke up with a smile to light up the world.

Outside, a reporter was asking her what had happened. She told him, but I was not surprised his paper did not print the story.

Plenty of room to quote the opposition -- about two full columns. About six paragraphs about the Town Hall itself.

Another big problem I've heard repeatedly from fellow patients at the V.A. -- ACCESS for veterans and surviving dependents to adequate and proper medical service in more remote areas.

We have men and women who must travel a full day each way to a VA hospital, which is their only VA access to eye care, diabetes clinic, even the most basic surgery, orthodics, and others.

The medical care is superlative at most VA Medical Centers.

Remote rural areas are not served well at all.

Translation for edmundburke (hankherndon, possibly even Steffanie, Steff and the list goes on) is the sky is falling the sky is falling.

I am really loving all these veiled threats from the other side directed at liberals and/or Democrats all based on stuff that happened under Bush that they are predicting is now going to happen again. I guess we will see.

It now appears that conservatives and tea partiers have been caught in yet another lie trying to protect those nasty enough to yell racial epitaphs and gay slurs at Congressmen before the Health Care vote. The video that they claim proves them right was actually recorded after the events took place and were mislabeled. Here is a link to the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_n_word_feud

In it they quote Andrew Breitbart. I really do not know why people continue to ask someone who has already been discredited for faking a video and then broke into a congresswoman's office to spy. Great example for young conservatives.

Glad to see you back wallismarsh, maybe this time around you can actually debate instead of making false claims about people, attacking someone for defending their family.

edmundhank, you are about 30 years later for the conservative revolution. That happened in 1980 and led us down a disastrous ten year path. Then we had the retread in 2000 that led to another ten disastrous years where the rich were rewarded and the poor punished by having to pay for the tax breaks awarded to the rich (talk about wealth redistribution).

But I love your excitement about the supposed coming 3rd version of a conservative revolution with no leaders. The wannabe leaders we have are nothing but a group of liars and distorters that prey on the fears of individuals such as yourself.

Ahoy Neo Cons,

The DOW has been above 11,000 for two days now.

Can't those Democrats do anything right.

Bush put the Dow in the tank by October, 2008.

By the time a thinking Democrat got into the White House -- the Dow barely had a pulse.

The math is simple -- With the Bush DOW -- there is no way in Hell for the U.S. to pay off Dubyah's hugely increased national debt.With the Dow at 12,000 and rising, we can pay off the entire debt.

Republicans are on record supporting the new START ... BUT only if they get to spend a ton of money modernizing our nuclear stockpile. That's strange, according to several posters on this site only Democrats are interested in increasing the debt.

But really how surprising is this? Obama wants to reduce our nuclear stockpile (ala Reagan) and the Republican response is "Okay, but only if we spend a ton of money to modernize the stockpile FIRST."

Mike,

Can you get the President to quit messing things up for the Neo-Cons ranting and raving party?

"WASHINGTON - Sales at U.S. retailers rose more strongly than expected in March as consumers stepped up purchases of vehicles and wide range of goods, government data showed on Wednesday, suggesting a broadening of the manufacturing-led economic recovery.

"The Commerce Department said total retail sales jumped 1.6 percent, the largest increase since November, from an upwardly revised 0.5 percent rise in February. Sales in February were previously reported to have gained 0.3 percent."

"You two bozo's realize those signs were planted there by liberal socialist operatives don't you?

-- Posted by hankherndon on Fri, Apr 9, 2010, at 9:51 AM"

Sorry Backassward Enrique,

Overlooked this gem of yours a week ago.

But your theory has serious flaws.

No self respecting human will risk picking up "Neo-Con Cooties," or lice, or mange from the Tea Party types we've seen in this area.

One guy at the last HCR Town Hall I attended sat his 400 unwashed lbs. in front of me and cleared a dozen seats around him, including mine, within three minutes.

It took about seven security guys to get his carcass out the door. His hand lettered sign, "Obama wants to control my life."

Clearly someone needed to control something.

reformed, they love to credit Chris Matthews with the messiah comparison, but when you really think about it even if you give the credit to Matthews for the starting point, conservative and tea partiers have just launched it into the atmosphere. They are the only people that seem to believe that he is some sort of deity and they keep pushing it on liberals who they say are godless. This of course creates quite the conundrum for them. They claim we are godless but that we believe Obama to be a god. No one has ever even bothered to explain to me how that even works.

Oh by the way since no one answered my trivia question from earlier. When Barney was talking about the giraffes he called them selish

Pot, meet kettle. Both parties pull this stuff all the time, so get off your soap box. Obama is quite possibly the guiltiest one of them all. Regardless, the clowns in Washington are all part of the "Do as I say, not as I do" party

Why is it that every time a member of the Tea Party shows their rear end by making a racist sign, shouting racist and gay slurs, or making grammar errors on their signs instead of being shouted down or simply denounced there's a group of people like edmund that blame someone else for it? It would be quite the psychological experiment to find the root cause of that, you know other than not having to explain that there are segments of the Tea Party crown that they are embarrassed by.

What stuff?? All the bait and switch you see in Washington. All the things Mike is whining about. Complaining about all the big, bad republicans not staying true to their words and values while putting democrats up on a pedastal is hypocritical. And no, I'm not on a soap box. When I show up to work I do the job I was hired to do. Our "representitives" don't give a flying you know what about it's constituents. The really sad thing is, people don't care. If their party of choice does something stupid, they're ok with it. If Obama were to mimic the actions of GW for 8 years the Democrats would think he's just swell, but would still consider Bush the worst president of all time, and vice versa.

Achieving things against all odds??? I guess the super majority in the senate and the house have really been handicapping him huh?

Obama may seem "a little disappointing at times" now, but how about 10 years from now when national debt is more than doubled? And what happens when his health care doesn't go as planned and we're paying twice as much in taxes? How long did it take us to realize social security wasn't quite as feasible as the folks who implemented it thought it would be? Sorry my nonconbuddy, but all these hopes and promises of today will probably turn in to much larger disasters 30-40 years from now.

I cannot wait for the day when people will stop pointing their finger at Bush for all that's wrong in the world, and justify their own stupidity by saying "Well he did it, so can we."

The last time I checked Bison, those people on Social Security think it's a tad bit more feasible than you do.

I have to say it simply amazes me that you pick up the same line that the others on here that have a different belief than I or Senior or Guillermo or reformed have whenever we voice our opinions. Instead of debating what we are saying you just call us whiners and make predictions on what could happen in the future which of course is horrible in your mind because no liberal plan could ever work.

But that's fine keep saying that whine when I voice my opinion. You'll just get more whining.

By the way Bison, stating fact or stating opinion if one of your lines is about one particular politician being the best or worst at something is being on your own soapbox. Nothing wrong with but don't deny it.

"All you have is speculation and what ifs. No wonder your case against Obama is so flimsy and irrational."

Have you taken a look at Obama's own budget/deficit projections for 2020? I'm not exactly grasping at straws here...

Is it really just "speculating" when you have all these wonderful examples like California to go by? No secret who rules the roost in that state and just look at the state of economy. I'm all for everybody gathering round a campfire, singing kumbaya and just having a wonderful time for the next 100 years, but the realist in me knows that's not going to happen. I'm merely fiscally conservative and couldn't care less about orientation, race, religion, yadda yadda yadda...that stuff isn't important to me. I'm hopeful that when the founding father's said "All men are created equal..." they weren't just refering to white men. All I'm for is personal responsibility and self reliance. Using slavery, racism issues as a crutch is hurting much more than it is helping, and to a point I agree with the poster who says democrats are more or less keeping the poor, uneducated, and minorities in their pockets by allowing to stay that way. We need to educate and motivate. Not enable.

Mike, how much longer do YOU expect social security to be around? We are going to need some DRASTIC overhauls in the system if we expect to sustain it, otherwise we are going to be faced with the option of either doing away with it, cutting benefits drastically, raising taxes to new extremes, or passing along the expense to our future generations. It was not designed to be a retirement income per se, and with 78 million baby boomers on the verge of being able to collect, we are going to be facing HUGE budget deficits.

My main point was, if you're going to call out one party for flip-flopping on their beliefs, why not point out the other party who is equally to blame for such behavior? The democratic party that is power today is a far cry from your grand daddy's democrats .

Bison I am thankful that the Democratic Party of today is a far cry from my granddadies Democratic Party and I am also thankful that the Republican Party is a far cry my granddadies Republican Party it means we are progressing.

The charge that Social Security is going broke is not a new charge. It is as old as Social Security itself it. The charge comes to the forefront every couple of years and yet Social Security has yet to run dry.

You say using slavery and racism is nothing more than a crutch. What are we supposed to do when an overtly racist situation occurs? Ignore it and hope it goes away. Racism is not dead, racism unfortunately is still very much alive. When someone yells the N-word at a Congressman because of the way he plans to vote on Health Care Reform you can not tell me that racism is not still an issue.

The CA claim is an old claim and it holds no water. The governor is Conservative, the state congress has been conservative leaning for years even back to the days of Jerry Brown. Californis is hardly a liberal state. The people just voted into law banning gays from getting married. Exactly how is that liberal?

You say we need to educate and motivate. I wholeheartedly agree but it's hard to educate when we have politicians that believe the entire educational system is an indoctrination system and then ties the hands of the teachers. You say educate, then dangit let us teach without throwing your values and what you think should be taught in the system slowing it down.

Guillermo, you so factually incorrect it's almost laughable. Republican majority in California??? LMAO! Arnold's about as fiscally conservitive as Bush was. I'm pretty sure this Republican majority you speak of probably wouldn't have voted democrat in the last 5 presidential elections. It probably wouldn't have sent 35 of 53 congressman to Washington that are democrats, and perhaps they would have managed to get maybe one republican into the senate in the last 18 years...

And no, Keynesian economics doesn't work. All you do is rob Peter to pay Paul and it just diverts the problem to the next generation.

As far as the last point, please explain to me how giving someone money ie: welfare, is going to incent them to get a job? I see the abuse of government programs everyday and it kind of makes me sick. If we can get everyone on board with the whole personal responsibilty at home thing our country would be much better off. And please do me a favor and look at the prior presidential election demographics before trying to tell me poor, uneducated, and minorities are voting against dems.

So because of one issue you are able to say California is conservative? I'd be willing to bet you maybe able to find at least two liberals in the who state who oppose it....just as you could probably find one or two conservatives who support it.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10780046

Don't let facts get in the way of a good arguement though.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1900_2014&view=1&expan...

At what point does the bubble burst? Can we just borrow more money to pay our debt? Seems logical...not.

Please feel free to share some of your welfare success stories. I'd love to know how these government hand outs are catapulting people into prosperity more so than getting a job would...

I think we all should thank BisonAlumn for proving that the mass spending that has gone on in this country has been by Conservatives and even providing the link for it which I will happily repost for him

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=1900_2014&view=1&expan...

By the way Bison I gave more examples than that one but thanks for focusing on just one to dispute.

"I think we all should thank BisonAlumn for proving that the mass spending that has gone on in this country has been by Conservatives and even providing the link for it which I will happily repost for him"

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE57K4XE20090821

You haven't even begun to see mass spending yet. We let one idiot double the national debt in 8 years and we're going to do it again in another 8 years. Doesn't the future look bright!

But let me guess... the CBO has an agenda?

Actually I believe if you have read my blog for any amount of time I have no issues with the CBO. Spending is increasing but the CBO also says that the debt will be coming down.

The only people around here that seem to think the CBO has an agenda or those that excepted the numbers for most of the last eight years but now just can't get a handle on the CBO since it was backing for the most part what Obama has been saying.

It's been wonderful over the last couple of days watching the estimated 1,000-3,000 in Boston going out to protest the tax cut they got this year hasn't it? Not to mention that on average 98% Americans received $3,000 on their tax refund. Darn those tax and spend liberals.

Lol Mike....yay I got a $3,000 refund too. Nevermind the fact that I had to shell out over $8,000 in federal income taxes to get it ;)

Can you please explain how deficit spending can possibly make our debt go down. I guess I just don't get it. Thanks in advance.

Who said anything about healthcare Guillermo? Great, so instead of $11,200,000,000,000.00 deficit we only have a $10,000,000,000,000.00 deficit. Yippee!

Please don't get me wrong. I don't want Obama to fail. I'm not that petty. I know the feeling isn't reciprocated among all Republicans, just as it wasn't with libs and Bush. I just don't think he was the great savior as many thought/expected him to be, and despite all the irrational claims i see on here, our countries problems have came about because of Democrats AND Republicans.

Bison the only people that thought Obama was going to be the great savior are the Republicans that voted against him and have made a controversy out of every move he has made so they can then come out and say "Oh look at the great savior."

The only people that have treated him like a deity or saviors are the people trying to block him from doing anything.

As has been stated many times Obama wanted to create a board to address the deficit and ways to bring it down. Several Republican co-sponsored the bill to create the bi-partisan bill. Then they were reminded that they were supposed to be voting against everything Obama champions (even if that meant voting against something they supported) and they helped kill the bill in the committee.

Republicans are trying to bide their time to November by slowing the government down as much as possible. I do not think it will work but only time will tell.

I was unaware of this Guillermo thank you for setting me straight.

I live in the world of reality edmund thank you for your concern.

Edmund,

Your concern for the federal debt is noted.

Where'n'ell were you while DubYah and The Draft Dodgers were shoveling money to Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, Enron and all their Oil Patch buddies?

Poppa Bush piled up more federal debt that all previous presidents combined, including FDR,Truman, Ike, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Carter, Ford, Teddy Roosevelt, Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Taft, Cleveland, Taylor, both Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Jackson -- and a few more.

That scandalous Clinton cut the budget, erased the deficit and paid down the debt.

DUBYAH AND THE DRAFT DODGERS ran up about 200% of the total national debt in place the day they went into the White House with permission from the Enron Execs and hand-in-hand with Halliburton and KBR officials.

All of the increase this past 15 months has been tied to straightening out DubYah's disasters.

We are on the way back. It is going to be painful, because thanks to your beloved DubYah, we are going to have to pay down somewhere around $15-BILLION.

But if the partisan GOP idiots blocking appointments have their way, there will be no effective government or courts to help stop piling up debt and paying off what the Bush Family caused.

One of DubYah's wonderful TSA workers was arrested today for involvement in a crime, wearing his blue TSA baggage inspection gloves.

Intelligent people have been screaming about the ineffectiveness of the existing airport screening, while marine container ports are wide open.

Field agents spotted several of the 9/11 terrorists well in advance. Their DC supervisors sucked their thumbs and did nothing.

Just as our troops were welding scrap steel to their thin-skin vehicles for armor protection, while Shotgun Cheney stood before cameras declaring reports to be lies -- while on split screen, TV viewers were watching soldiers weld that steel.

Forty six nations, including several which would not meet with DubYah and Shotgun, just signed the Nuclear Reduction Treaty after joining Pres. Obama in a D.C. summit.

Remember Demint -- "WE will KILL the Health Bill, absolutely!"

Dimwit Demint sure has been quiet lately.

DubYah wasted $3-BILLION on a "budget" electronic fence on the Mexican border. His pet contractor, Boeing, could not and can not get the first 26-mile test run working on the 2500 mile border.

While Boeing was fiddling as the border crossing's burned, President Obama used existing budgets to fulfill those budget items' purpose and at the same time applied Predators to stopping crossings at widely scattered points all along the border.

But, unlike DubYah strutting in the pressure suit across the carrier deck, this president just keeps quiet so the results can continue.

IN THE MEANTIME, every federal court is operating with empty judgeships, because partisan clowns are violating their oaths of office.

Average people are being legally raped, because the deep pockets offenders can continue stalling action.

But considering who is paying for those politicians, should we be surprised.

I have always found it interesting when those representing or speaking for the TEA Party are asked directly that if they are truly and solely against taxes then where were they during the eight years of the Bush Presidency. They always give the exact same stock answer of forming after TARP was initially passed under Bush. This is supposed to give the illusion that they are a bipartisan group fed up with taxes not matter whether it's a Republican or Democratic president. The facts however don't match their rhetoric. No one had heard of the TEA Party until after President Obama had taken office. But let's for a second take them at their word and they did in fact form after the initial TARP was passed. They would have formed in the last few months of the Bush Administration. Where were they then when we were fighting two different wars and the Middle Class was being taxed to death while the rich enjoyed a decade long tax cut? Their rhetoric really does fall apart when you just examine it. NOT to mention that the two years they have protested against taxes has seen tax cuts for 98% of Americans. Pesky facts always get in the way.

Wait a second edmund IF, as you say, they can look into the future then wouldn't that mean they would have organized in 2001, not 2008 after all the spending? This is more like looking backwards and then blaming the next guy in line.

Actually no they aren't the stats bare that out, but naturally you don't like facts so this means nothing to you.

Edwardo,

What happened to all the predictions Health Care Reform would fail to win passage in Congress?

Whoops?

What happened to those guarantees McCain/Palin would win the general election. They could not win major southern Dixie-GOP-Crat strongholds or even Indiana.

Now Miz Sary has become the conservatives' professional celebrity.

Last word, she has pocketed $15-Million with multiple TV contracts and $100,000 per turn speaking contracts.

At Stanislaus State University, Turlock, CA she is drawing the speakers fee, while requiring the university foundation provide a private jet --bigger than a Lear -- first class hotel with two suites, and any manor of perks.

Miz Sary dumped the governor's gig because the pay was less than $100,000 annually and by 2012 she will probably bank at least $100-Million.

Public service be hanged, she's going for the loot. Pretty soon, first dude will be able to buy a serious fishing boat, with things like galleys, crew cabins, captain's quarters and several hundred thousand dollars worth of multi-season gear.

Miz Sary has her eye of the most important prize, all that filthy lucre.

Now we have this thing with this new network trying to get off the ground called RightNetwork. I wonder how it's going to compete with the original Right Network, Fox News.

Oh Sarah, what college did you go to? You need to ask for a refund especially when it comes your history courses.

Sarah Palin's revisionist history knows no bounds and now she is pulling the founding fathers into her little web of deceit.

Recently she said, "Lest anyone try to convince you that God should be separated from the state, our Founding Fathers, they were believers. And George Washington, he saw faith in God as basic to life."

This will come as a huge surprise to the half governor but the founding fathers were none to happy with the role that religion played in government. It is afterall one of the reasons they fought the Revolution War. As for her mentioning Washington (who she has been trying for two years to convince everyone that he was the original modern conservative) he may have seen God as basic in life NOT government. More on this later.

Yes except the 6 you mentioned don't so that's faulty logic.

Actually it is not a fact or an idea, it is a myth. Although I think it's really funny that you think PBS has any kind of slant to begin with.

You have obviously never watched PBS.

You keep saying that edmund but as I recall by using a simple little thing called history, the conservative revolution occurred in 1994 and lasted until 2006. All that's going on right now, as much as I hate to say it, is sour grapes that conservatives lost the White House.

Well I know one thing for sure edmund the polls certainly are not pointing to this conservative revolution you believe will happen this fall. If anything happens this fall more moderate members (whether they be Democratic or Republican) will be elected.

You know edmund I wonder what name you will choose for your next foray into the blogs after you get banned ... again.

Speaking of infiltrations of the TEA Party, it has been revealed that a group started on Facebook about protesting the TEA Parties was actually set up by a College Republican group posing as Democrats.

So I guess you were right edmund, there were people infiltrating the TEA Parties, Republicans.

Seriously edmund what is your infatuation with chickens?

This will probably go completely unnoticed but I find it really interesting for all the talk from TEA Partiers and Republicans and Fox News talking heads about Obama turning this country into a police state and all those that disagree being rounded up that place that truly just became a police state is Arizona which passed a law that gives it's government the power to round up those that do not look like them. If you are white you have nothing to worry about but if you look Mexican you better "have your papers" (including a birth certificate) or they can now legally lock you up.

So who's locking up people using the government because they are the controlling people? Republicans in Arizona. If you look like John McCain you are fine, if you look like George Lopez you are going to jail.

I would suggest you read the law edmundburke instead of depending on Fox News to sugar coat it for you.

The law is that the police now have the right to demand birth certificates from anyone who "looks" like they are not from here.

I agree that there are law breakers, but this is unlawful and unconstitutional.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If you are demanding that someone prove that they are a legal citizen based on the way they look it is a direct violation of unreasonable search and seizure.

Also, apparently edmund, for all your talk about government takeovers I am surprised that you would support a government takeover of the Arizona police force, but then again it is something that you support so it is not really hypocritical it is just par for the course for you. Yell and scream when a Democrat does something (whether you support it or not) fully support when a Republican does it (even if it is eerily similar to what you were afraid Obama was going to do to you.

So no response edmund of your support for the government takeover of the police force in Arizona? Do you support it?

The new law gives police officers the order that can ask people they suspect of being in the state illegally for documentation proving that they are legal residents of the United States. A person could be simply walking down the street and be arrested because they do not have a birth certificate on them.

Well I can remember you got up in arms when the government cut out the middle man on Federal Loans to college students. That was a branch of government that you were just beside itself that the government "took over".

But okay if you want to parse words, the new law is in direct violation of the 4th Amendment. You I would assume support the Constitution, do you still support this law even though it is in violation of the Constitution?

Wow you truly are bending over backwards on this one are you not? You are correct the Constitution does protect citizens which is exactly why this law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL because it targets all people that look Mexican. Citizens are protected against unlawful search and seizures under the 4th Amendment but under this new law if you look illegal you can be detained, that is the very definition of illegal search and seizure.

Do you honestly think anyone can go outside and pinpoint who is an illegal alien and who is an American citizen? It is not as simplistic as you want to pretend that it is. As the law is written anyone who "looks" illegal can be held if they do not have the propper identification. Edmund do you make it a point to carry around your birth certificate? In Arizona under this law if you look a certain way you now have to.

Believing that all latinos are illegals, stating that all people of Middle Eastern descent are terrorists is racist.

Since you are on the kick of proving things edmund where's the proof that the DemocratIC Party is racist, OTHER than your non-sequitur of helping the less fortunate just because you do not agree with it.

It should be noted that the Senator that crafted the new law in Arizona has ties to Neo-Nazis. Since it is so important to you that you are the company you keep ala Obama this should trouble you. Still support the law?

I still don't get the rain in november reference. It rains and even snows every november. ha But I'll be watching. Better yet I'll be voting. I'd rather be involved than just sit around watching all the time.

So do you refuse to answer that question edmund do you support a bill written by a man that has ties to neo-nazis?

The difference there edmund is that Robert Byrd has atoned for his mistakes and by the none answer I can only assume that not only do you support the bill you support that it was written by a senator with ties to Neo-Nazis.

But then again that is your signature (not the mention the signature of several other posters on here) whenever you don't (or can't) answer a question you try to change the subject.

So back to my questions: Do you or do you not support the Constitution, more specifically the 4th Amendment which the law is in violation of?

Do you support a bill that was written by a senator with ties to Neo Nazis and is specifically aimed at one particular race (and not at only illegal aliens)?

I want to see edmund say for all to see that he supports a bill that is unconstitutional and written by a man that has ties to Neo-Nazis.

For all of edmund's grandstanding about how the Obama Administration is violating the Constitution and he is guilty by association he has the opportunity to show that he actually stands for the Constitution and truly believes that a person is guilty by association.

What say you edmund?

The more interesting thing is why is the TEA Party so quite on this? This is the perfect opportunity for them to show that their whole organization truly does represent what they claim to represent and not just solely against Obama.

This bill is a direct threat to the civil liberties they claim they want to preserve. This bill is an example of big government out of control which they claim to be against .... and yet there is silence.

I think one of the truly maddening things going on (though it really is not surprising) are the Republican lawmakers lining (Senator McCain included) up to blame Obama for the illegal immigration issue. They seem to think most Americans are dumb enough to believe that line.

Specifically on McCain, he has been Arizona's Senator since 1982. He has had 28 years to fix this for his state to get some billed passed through the Senate, he has had majorities for his party before, and he did nothing and then he comes out and blames Obama for the bill passed in Arizona? Seriously? There is nothing this man will not do in trying to blame something on Obama. He has quickly become the sorest Presidential election loser of all time.

Okay let me explain this to you again because you just simply are not getting it. The law is so vague that the police can pull over anyone that they suspect could be here illegally. Which means they can pull over any person of Latino or Mexican descent. If these people do not have the proper papers (birth certificate) it means the police can legally detain an American citizen because of the way they look. That is a clear violation of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution which outlaws illegal searches and seizures. I really do not know what you can possibly not understand about this.

I thought you of all people would be against a fascist government that made laws against its people and violated the Constitution. That is what you have been preaching to all of us for two years. Are you now saying you were not really serious about that? Are you saying that all those railings against fascist governments and the tearing up of the Constitution and denying rights to American citizens was just a front?

What say you edmund?

For a christian fellow you do not seem to really believe in any kind of atonement do you? Robert Byrd had a very racist history which he has repeatedly apologized for and has been forgiven by those that it directly affected.

You support a man with ties to neo nazis because he wrote a bill against brown people which you fully support. You rail against Obama for his ties yet cast a blind eye to an Arizona senator for his ties because he did something you support. What's that word again? Oh yes ...

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E

You do realize edmund that every single one of us here today can trace our heritage to illegal immigrants coming to this land.

Any ancestor that came to this land before the United States was established was here illegally and therefore anyone who has came since was also here illegally.

Read the law. Read the law. You sound like a parrot and I have read the law and it will be struck down if not on constitutional issues but just because lines 23 and 24 are contradictory to lines 30 31 and 32. How can an officer be expected to determine if someone is in this country legally without first determining race?

The better question is have you read the law or are you parroting what Rush, Palin, and Fox News are telling you to say.

Is it dumb because it's true or is it dumb because once again you can't wrap your head around the fact that the only people on this land legally are Native Americans?

The documentation of settlers tricking Native Americans into treaties and out of land is a long one there edmund. Read a little bit more of history from all perspectives before trying to trounce me on information.

Wow I prove you wrong and you immediately change direction, what a shock.

Still no answer I see except for a personal attack. Keep up edmund.

So, edmundburke, you've done extensive research on your heritage? You have Native American blood in your?

Can you prove that? How do you know your ancestors were here legally?

Once again you take away from what could be a good debating point by making a personal attack on someone else more than likely based on your own feelings.

Forgive me if I am wrong but how in the world does having your birth certificate proof that your ancestors came here legally?

I know it is nothing more than a veiled attack on Obama (and not a very good one) but that question was laid to rest in the spring of 2008, those that keep bringing it up are just bitter.

So your ancestors have been in this country for less than 100 years considering that the first birth certificate wasn't officially presented until 1836 and that was in Britain. The birth certificate is a fairly modern staple.

So either you are lying about your ancestors or once again you have rewritten history to suit your needs (my guess is both since you claim they did have one).

Ooh, caught again.

So your ancestors have been in this country for less than 100 years considering that the first birth certificate wasn't officially presented until 1836 and that was in Britain. The birth certificate is a fairly modern staple.

So either you are lying about your ancestors or once again you have rewritten history to suit your needs (my guess is both since you claim they did have one).

Ooh, caught again.

Wow once again proven wrong on your attempt to change history and all you can do is act like a 10 year old.