"Death" Panels

Mike,

Today in Blair House there was a Health Care summit with Democrats, Republicans, the full Obama administration team.

The GOP high point came when the biggestGOP mouth announced that on the dollar figures developed by the Congressional Budget Office for the final proposed House Health Care Reform Bill -- he did not believe the budget office figures.

Under tight questioning by another congressman this GOP genius admitted he believed every other CBO figure on all other bills -- Just wanted to replace CBO figures on this one with his own numbers.

Where did he get those numbers?

Golly Gee Whiz -- From the private Health Insurance Companies.

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BIG NEWS ELSEWHERE TODAY:

The major private health insurance companies in ELEVEN states announced rate hikes -- As great at 50% for healthy young adults.

Don't even think about what they want for rates for any one older than 40 with a chronic medical problem brought on by worry about paying for health insurance.

Apparently $12.5-BILLION annual net profit is not enough for these people.

Now if they can just get a 50% increase -- they could have $18.75-BILLION annual net profit.

Think of all those nice management bonuses.

Gouda,

By the time all the major changes in these bills are calculated and the way costs are being reduced, the $12.5-BILLION IN NET PROFIT FOR THE INSURORS is not a minor amount.

Simply adapting the Veterans Affairs Medical Service computerized patient files could save in incredible amount of time.

I walk into any VA medical center, clinic or hospital in my region -- and any professional medical person can access my entire record.

In civilian practice, One properly produced set of X-Rays for any patients planned surgery, fracture or concussion would suffice, at condiderable savings.

The clerical staff would only need enter the patients' mame and card or band information to access their complete medical history.

No discovering after a reported case of appendicitis, that the patient had all apendix removed a year earlier. No triplling or quadrupling of esrays. That's just one area, with each area having access to the records from all previous exams, x-rays ordered months ago for another reason.

No double billing Medicare or any other insurors.

Senior,

Please recall, firstly, that wars are a constitutional responsibility of the Federal government.

Secondly, unlike entitlement programs, wars end.

Thirdly, consider that wars can be necessary to keep our country and our God-given freedoms safe.

While free-to-you healthcare paid for by taxing the rich, the insurance companies, and the drug companies would be great for you, it isn't going to happen. If the President's bill passes, we're going to tax everyone, right down to the minimum wage worker who makes just a little too much to skate by without it and the retired senior citizen that has enough left over to afford canned dog food...and we'll still have to borrow from China until they quit lending and our country goes bankrupt.

Face it, senior...we all have to learn to pay our own bills and not look to that next government handout.

"The great thing about sound bites is that you can make them say what you want. By editing the piece to only the words you want people to hear, you can construct the narrative you want." Didn't you just eviscerate your own argument?

Joe just wondering because you keep beating the dead horse of ACORN "delivering" the election for Obama, but do you have any proof? Is there any proof in existence (outside of doctored videos)anywhere that ACORN did anything but help people get registered to vote and then get them to the polls.

Last time I checked, Joe, we are in the process of pulling troops out of Iraq. We are at the lowest level troop wise since the "Mission Accomplished" declaration. How then, do you justify saying that the President wants to stay in Iraq? Or do these silly little facts get in your way of keeping your anger and hatred of the President, so you just ignore them? Then again if you actually relied on facts instead of what you believe or what you have been told to believe you really wouldn't have anything to be so angry about.

That's your proof Joe Buck? You make up how the investigation was run? You're going to have to try better than that since your intent of smearing an organization. But then I forget when you smear an organization in an effort to disqualify a president you don't exactly need facts do you? You just make up what has happened and hope the rest of the sheep do not actually do their own research.

HankHerndon said"The poor are taken care of when they are sick. If you don't know this you have never witnessed our health care in action. We live in the most free country in the world yet we are the most destitute country in the world. We simply can't afford the price of health care along with all the other entitlements. WE CAN"T AFFORD IT."

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I would ask the most astute Hank just where he thought the money comes from to pay for the ER care these poor receive. I would also ask him if he thought an ER visit cost less than a simple vaccination or a trip to a clinic that would have prevented the emergency.

There is a level of ignorance exhibited in the health care debate that is truly astounding!

Judging from your posts in the past I would say you knowledge of history is sketchy at best. History can not be redefined, corrected, or revisioned. History is what it is. I understand your need to change history in order to make it fit your ideology but changing history only muddles it.

Backassward Hank,

Your attempt to revise history reminds me of Joe Stalin's claim that a Russian invented air, fire and water.

Saying something without facts behind it only makes it a lie.

"The poor are taken care of." What a crock?

Try sitting in a hospital emergency room with a legitimate injured senior for 13 hours while the ER staff cares for poor kids with infections, rampant dysentary, pneumonia and other ailments, who have not other hope for care but the ER -- where they cannot be turned away.

Being victimized by the situation is no better or worse than the situation which makes victims of children.

And JOSE-Can you See? -- Obviously not. The Neo-Con rant for the past year has been that Obama is wrong on every single detail.

There were plenty of us who were certain the Texas drunk was going to be a disaster as president.

But we bit our tongues, even when he strutted out of the mail plane in his pressure suit.

After corruptly winning two elections, even "Swift boating" a legitimate Viet Nam combat hero. [Don't believe John Kerry was a legitimately decorated hero. Consider he had absolutely no political clout or family influence. The Navy performs a triple-level review for all Silver Stars, Navy Crosses and Congressional Medals. Bronze Star and below, Unit and Command Reviews. No one gets the Navy Cross unless they deserve it. Go on the Internet and check the procedures which have been in place for at least 100 years.]

After corruptly claiming those two elections, DubYah and the Draft Dodgers (DDD) still had Senate and Congressional Democrats working with them to keep the government in operation.

Compare that to the past year, where the GOP has actually filibustered and delayed the Defense Appropriations Bill with men dying in combat.

Their conduct is a national disgrace.

I have always been proud of my Republican roots, but this past year has me seriously doubting that position.

By the way, there is some Certified Rectal Orifice on these two Blogs -- Sams and Mikes -- who keeps attempting attacks on this Senior Citizen.

I have an invitation for him and any of his cohorts -- Come, pay your own way, including airfare, hotels and meals -- riding in my small rental cars and stick with me for ten days.

[Hey after all, you fine upstanding right-thinking Christians would not want to freeload on a feeble old man, now would you?]

I'm betting after the first three or four 20-hour days, you self-anointed super patriots will tuck your sorry tails between your wobbly legs and crawl back into your holes.

Let's see the proof of ability to pay your own bills.

Next time out, I can meet you at Dulles, or Hartsfield-Atlanta or possibly Memphis or St. Louis.

Do hate to be a cynic, but both of you strike me as guys who would show up and after the first half day announce they didn't bring any money or a ticket home.

Reminds me, Sam -- how do I get the info about the needed L/P big rig for the driver to go Owner-Operator. The one contract isn't going to wait forever.

He's ready to put his invalid wife with her family for a couple of years, let go the house and sell both cars to have an extra $2,000 monthly for truck payments.

I think one big problem with the health care industry would have to be our sue happy society. Every doctor and every company that manufactures equipment and supplies for the healthcare industry has to be heavily insured for the payment or defense of thousands of high dollar lawsuits. I think some lawsuits are necessary, and if someone has been wronged, they are entitled to compensation. But it has gone way off the deep end. The root of the problem is our society. We need to limit the lawsuits, and limit the settlements. Of cours further action would be needed to pass the savings down to the consumer because insurance companies, manufactures, and healthcare providers would hold prices falsely high to reap the benefits, they are all corrupt.

When did we get to the point in this society that the only people that should be taken care of are the ones that have all the money? The question should be, when was our society not at that point? Im sure you have heard the saying, "life is like a s#!t sandwich, the more bread you have, the less s#!t you have to eat".

I recently read this article and it made me think of the "debate" about health care reform.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20056434-10391704.html

Still awaiting an apology